Pixel Joint Forum: MX Biker WIP

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   Hey everyone!
I'm currently working on this piece and I'm having some troubles with it. I'm not quite sure what bugs me in it so I decided to show you guys to see if you could help me out.
What do you think? What's wrong with it?

Thanks a whole bunch! (The pink is going to be invisble ;))
Guert

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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Topic: MX Biker WIP Posted: 19 December 2005 at 3:53pm
	Hey everyone! I'm currently working on this piece and I'm having some troubles with it. I'm not quite sure what bugs me in it so I decided to show you guys to see if you could help me out. What do you think? What's wrong with it? Thanks a whole bunch! (The pink is going to be invisble ;)) Guert
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Fhqwhgads Midshipman Joined: 08 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 83	Posted: 19 December 2005 at 5:43pm
	AAA PILLOW SHADING!!! NJ tho!
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 19 December 2005 at 6:32pm
	Thx. How can I avoid doing the pillow shading?
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 20 December 2005 at 1:48am
	Find a lightsource and stick with it. Try a few shading tuts.
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 20 December 2005 at 3:28pm
	Ok, so I started all over the colors. I'll keep you informed on what I'm doing. Thanks alot for helping me with this one, I would have looked real lame there! ;) Later! Guert
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 23 December 2005 at 6:52am
	Ok, so how is this one coming in? Same linework, different light source and coloring. I focused on the helmet. I'll add the blue stripes later... So how is it coming? Thanks a bunch everyone! Guert
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Shark Commander a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136	Posted: 23 December 2005 at 7:31am
	This is like 10 times better. :D
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Filax_666 Commander Joined: 10 August 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 108	Posted: 23 December 2005 at 8:46am
	Some dithering wouldn't hurt
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 23 December 2005 at 10:29am
	This is for a sprite and I don't have much color rectrictions. Is more colors better than dithering? Any other major problems you can see? Thanks alot! Guert
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Shark Commander a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136	Posted: 23 December 2005 at 10:33am
	Dithering will help smooth out the transition between two colours. I think its more rewarding to finish a piece with a lower colour count however if adding more colours looks better i would stick with that.
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 23 December 2005 at 5:31pm
	Here's a place with a dithering tut: SpriteArt
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PixelSnader Commander Not a troll! Joined: 05 June 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3194	Posted: 23 December 2005 at 5:49pm
	for a sprite, if its gonna be animated and/or have a lot of frames. use more colours. dithering is a lot more work
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 24 December 2005 at 5:05am
	Thanks guys! Yes, this pic will be lightly animated. I'm gonna try both technics and see what works best for me... I'll keep you noticed on the development! Thanks alot! Guert
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 28 December 2005 at 7:00pm
	Ok, so here's what I've done so far. I tried some cross hatching dithering. I don't know if it's a known technic or if it condemned by pixel artists, but it felt natural to me since I did alot of comic book style illustrations. How is it comin'? Thanks alot! Guert
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Shark Commander a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136	Posted: 28 December 2005 at 7:03pm
	The whole helmet just looks so awesome :D. The cross hatching looks a bit dodgy on the left pec and toso. The line separating his shoulder and bicep also needs smothing.
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 29 December 2005 at 3:49pm
	Hey there! Thanks for the tips. I'll be workin' on those. Thanks for the nice comment too! I'll post a new version when I'll have it. Thanks again! Guert
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 30 December 2005 at 12:24am
	Awesome work so far. You're really coming along! Keep up the good work!
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leel Commander Joined: 29 June 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3001	Posted: 30 December 2005 at 7:21am
	I think the highlights on the shirt are too intense.. maybe make the lightest two colors a bit more grey, that'll make for a smoother transition between shades and the dithering wont stand out too much. And, yea, that's a sweet looking helmet!
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randomblink Commander Joined: 13 February 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 403	Posted: 30 December 2005 at 7:22am
	wow... I was impressed with the pillow shading piece... But then you actually did a better job and it looks sharp as hell now... Way to go man...
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Shark Commander a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136	Posted: 30 December 2005 at 7:35am
	I love WIPs where the artist actually updates the image with major improvements, not just something that rots away.
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randomblink Commander Joined: 13 February 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 403	Posted: 30 December 2005 at 11:33am
	Yeah... like most of mine do... rot that is...
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 31 December 2005 at 5:15am
	Hello everyone! Hey, thanks alot for all the nice comments! I'm very happy that you guys took time to reply! Ok, so heres what I've done now. I did most of my shadings/ hatchings and I believe I am satisfied with it for now. I used less dark grey and more hatching on the shirt so that it smooths the colors out. I did very little hatching on the hands because it caused the fingers to bour the thing too much and looked too messy. Now, all that is left to do is that freakin' mouth breathing thingy and some fixing on issues that'll be pointed out. Ah yes, Leel, the reason why I am going to use some very intense highlight on the shirt is that this piece is to be displayed on a gba and color definition ain't great. Since I don't know yet how it's gonna turn out, I use those shadings. But I will try it with less intense shading if it's not turning up well. Here it is: Thanks alot once again for all the nice coments! Take care all! Guert
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Shark Commander a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136	Posted: 31 December 2005 at 5:32am
	I think HIS right wrist is too small. also the black line around the elbow travels too far into the body. I think the "freakin' mouth breathing thingy" is fine. Keep at it
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 31 December 2005 at 6:45pm
	I agree. I'd also try for the area on his chest below his arms darkening it a bit. It would be darker than the top of his chest because his arms would cast shadow. I believe.
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 03 January 2006 at 3:10pm
	Hey there guys! I'm gonna be gone for a week so I won't update this until tuesday, but I'm writing the wrist and shadow thing down on my "NEXT THINGS TO DO" list. You're both right on these issues, thanks for spotting them! I'll post it whenever it's ready. Thanks again and take care all! Guert
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alkaline Commander Joined: 25 August 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 868	Posted: 03 January 2006 at 7:42pm
	this is definitely a huge improvement from the beginning. I like pieces that do that. the hands look a little weird. moreso on the left part, it might be that the fingers are kind of funny or that you can't see the thumb. and maybe if his right hand was clenched more. but, fantastic improvements.
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 10 January 2006 at 4:33pm
	Hey there! Ok, I'm back and workin' on this piece as we speak. I'll take a good look at those hands, thanks for the pointer. I now have to make a animation of this so I'll post it when I'm through with the first version. Thanks again! Guert
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 15 January 2006 at 6:50pm
	Hey there guys! Ok, so I've been trying to animate this darn thing for the past week and realized that it still had numerous issues to fix. So, I restarted the colors again. I made my colors less distinct from each others (now, they kind of blend together, as a whole). The eyes hurt less looking at the pic! ;) Also, I changed some colors and added a second light source from the back. I'm going to add more details, like logos and stuff, but I want to know if there are some new mistakes from the new work. Ah yes, I had to crop the image. I'm not much of a pixel artist but it's fun learning it! :D Thanks again for the help! Take care! Guert
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Souly Commander Joined: 13 December 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2451	Posted: 15 January 2006 at 6:54pm
	I prefered the dithering on the last one. This one looks like the shading is a pure color and it just turns me off.
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 15 January 2006 at 10:19pm
	*Originally posted by Souly* I prefered the dithering on the last one. I agree, you took a step backward here. I like the second light source.
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Shark Commander a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136	Posted: 16 January 2006 at 9:44am
	helmet on the old one was way better, however i guess you have to keep it consistant. at least your actually editing your work
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 16 January 2006 at 2:28pm
	I actually like the newer one as opposed to the old dithering. There just seemed to be a lot going on with all the dithering. This one is better, I think. Cleaner and simpler.
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 17 January 2006 at 4:34pm
	Hmmm... Two directions on this new version. Ok, I'll keep workin' on it. I'll try fixing the hand and adding more colors to blend the shadings together. Since this more like a big splash animation, I don't think the dithering makes it more high quality, but then, the only way to find this out is for me to go both ways. I'll post a new version when possible! Thanks again for the comments! Guert
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 18 January 2006 at 8:37am
	Ok, new version, this time, i think it'sa pretty much done, unless something is pointed out. Fixed some shadow issues, fixed the hands and other minor things I don't remember now. Later! Guert
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 18 January 2006 at 9:55am
	I think that it looks great. But I think the shading from the lightsource from behind might be a bit off on the jacket. I think this might be fixed if you mde the darker strand of shading just before the yellowish color a little lighter so the contrast isn't as harsh? I also think that the pointy part of the jacket on the left side could be not so pointy? :P The lightsource shading on the helmet is perfect. :) The glasses also aren't really round looking. This might not have been your purpose with this, but the line seems a bit jagged on the side just before the strap. Fixing it might make it look better. Anyway, it's really a fantastic improvement, I think. :)
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Shark Commander a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136	Posted: 18 January 2006 at 10:00am
	this is such an improvment on the origignal. i love it. just tone down the harshness of yellow on the jacket and your done
	Snark, we love yuu.
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Guert Midshipman Joined: 06 June 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Posted: 19 January 2006 at 7:03pm
	And voilà! :D I think I'm pretty much done now, unless theres something more on this! Once again, thanks alot for all the comments! It really helped me out on this piece! :) Thanks again and take care! Guert
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