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MidiWaffle
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Topic: A few questions.
Posted: 13 June 2014 at 3:01pm

1: How do I revise an image without submitting a whole new post? My sprites say they need to be revised before they can be displayed, but I don't see a link to do that.

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This sprite was made from scratch, but the mod reported it as a rip/edit. It is NOT a rip or an edit. I would have been able to resolve this sooner if the mods themselves would message me about this instead of using just a system message. So what am I supposed to do about it?

3: I know I sound like I'm just griping at this point, but I really need to know, why are transparent backgrounds required? What if someone's browsing the site on a theme that makes sprites hard to see against? I'm sorry, but I can't help questioning a rule that I see no practical need or use for, and frankly, this just sounds totally arbitrary, and I'd like an explanation for it.

Thank you.

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jalonso
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Posted: 14 June 2014 at 4:27am

Originally posted by MidiWaffle

1: How do I revise an image without submitting a whole new post? My sprites say they need to be revised before they can be displayed, but I don't see a link to do that.

You go to the art page and click the 'edit it' under the art and upload the revisions and then hit the 'resubmit' at the bottom of the page.

Originally posted by MidiWaffle

2:This sprite was made from scratch, but the mod reported it as a rip/edit. It is NOT a rip or an edit. I would have been able to resolve this sooner if the mods themselves would message me about this instead of using just a system message. So what am I supposed to do about it?

Unsure who sent this back and why exactly.
We are unable to personally send a message and explain every pixel that requires some revision because the Mods are pixelartists too not just sitting around modding and evaluating other's work. Its up to you (all) to ask questions if you have any here as you have.

Originally posted by MidiWaffle

3: I know I sound like I'm just griping at this point, but I really need to know, why are transparent backgrounds required? What if someone's browsing the site on a theme that makes sprites hard to see against?

Being that you joined today and this is your first submission it is a little 'gripe-ish'.

Trans BGs are NOT required but encouraged and preferred. You show your sprite on a pink BG that makes the face color outline hard to see so there is no magic BG color. Trans BGs look better and most PJers prefer them.
Using placeholder pink or green as you have here is considered a game asset for programmer use and not public display. The reason these colors are used is because noone in their right mind would use seizure inducing colors and programmers can easily isolate these shaded in the code.
Anyhoo, when a non trans BG is used we just evaluate if its really needed for that piece on a case by case basis and whenever anyone writes in the description that the BG is deliberate then that takes care of that. We do not question artistic choices.
Had I been online when your piece was in the public queue I would have sent this back for the BG for the color alone.

Originally posted by MidiWaffle

I'm sorry, but I can't help questioning a rule that I see no practical need or use for, and frankly, this just sounds totally arbitrary, and I'd like an explanation for it.

Thank you.

Yeah...these things happen in all kinds of places. Life and art do have an affinity for the arbitrary. We have no explanation for these bigger life questions

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Hapiel
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Posted: 14 June 2014 at 6:47am

Originally posted by jalonso

Using placeholder pink or green as you have here is considered a game asset for programmer use and not public display.

In order to improve the 'public display' thingy, you will also want to show animated versions, for example 4 different animated sprites next to each other instead of this long vertical strip.

Yes, on some BG's it might look silly, but for this reason most themes have a quite bright background for the artworks. Transparent is my preferred bg.

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PixelSnader
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Posted: 14 June 2014 at 1:54pm

You don't 100% have to include a transparent background. These don't: http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/82626.htm

Largely, the 'rule' is to stop people from posting sprites on obnoxious pink backgrounds and in a more sensible presentation. Like Hapiel said, don't upload a giant strip but upload a small clump of animated sprites. Use a grayish or grassgreen or transparent background, and voila. A much nicer way to view your work.

However, you might want to ask yourself; if I can't see my sprite on a certain background, have I made a bad sprite? Of course some backgrounds will work better or worse, but the idea of a sprite is to be placed over whatever is already there. You're supposed to use good form, decently contrasted colors, and potentially outlines to make your sprite stand out.

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MidiWaffle Seaman Joined: 13 June 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2	Topic: A few questions. Posted: 13 June 2014 at 3:01pm
	1: How do I revise an image without submitting a whole new post? My sprites say they need to be revised before they can be displayed, but I don't see a link to do that. 2: This sprite was made from scratch, but the mod reported it as a rip/edit. It is NOT a rip or an edit. I would have been able to resolve this sooner if the mods themselves would message me about this instead of using just a system message. So what am I supposed to do about it? 3: I know I sound like I'm just griping at this point, but I really need to know, why are transparent backgrounds required? What if someone's browsing the site on a theme that makes sprites hard to see against? I'm sorry, but I can't help questioning a rule that I see no practical need or use for, and frankly, this just sounds totally arbitrary, and I'd like an explanation for it. Thank you.
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 14 June 2014 at 4:27am
	*Originally posted by MidiWaffle* 1: How do I revise an image without submitting a whole new post? My sprites say they need to be revised before they can be displayed, but I don't see a link to do that. You go to the art page and click the 'edit it' under the art and upload the revisions and then hit the 'resubmit' at the bottom of the page. *Originally posted by MidiWaffle* 2:This sprite was made from scratch, but the mod reported it as a rip/edit. It is NOT a rip or an edit. I would have been able to resolve this sooner if the mods themselves would message me about this instead of using just a system message. So what am I supposed to do about it? Unsure who sent this back and why exactly. We are unable to personally send a message and explain every pixel that requires some revision because the Mods are pixelartists too not just sitting around modding and evaluating other's work. Its up to you (all) to ask questions if you have any here as you have. *Originally posted by MidiWaffle* 3: I know I sound like I'm just griping at this point, but I really need to know, why are transparent backgrounds required? What if someone's browsing the site on a theme that makes sprites hard to see against? Being that you joined today and this is your first submission it is a little 'gripe-ish'. Trans BGs are NOT required but encouraged and preferred. You show your sprite on a pink BG that makes the face color outline hard to see so there is no magic BG color. Trans BGs look better and most PJers prefer them. Using placeholder pink or green as you have here is considered a game asset for programmer use and not public display. The reason these colors are used is because noone in their right mind would use seizure inducing colors and programmers can easily isolate these shaded in the code. Anyhoo, when a non trans BG is used we just evaluate if its really needed for that piece on a case by case basis and whenever anyone writes in the description that the BG is deliberate then that takes care of that. We do not question artistic choices. Had I been online when your piece was in the public queue I would have sent this back for the BG for the color alone. *Originally posted by MidiWaffle* I'm sorry, but I can't help questioning a rule that I see no practical need or use for, and frankly, this just sounds totally arbitrary, and I'd like an explanation for it. Thank you. Yeah...these things happen in all kinds of places. Life and art do have an affinity for the arbitrary. We have no explanation for these bigger life questions
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Hapiel Rear Admiral Joined: 30 June 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3266	Posted: 14 June 2014 at 6:47am
	*Originally posted by jalonso* Using placeholder pink or green as you have here is considered a game asset for programmer use and not public display. In order to improve the 'public display' thingy, you will also want to show animated versions, for example 4 different animated sprites next to each other instead of this long vertical strip. Yes, on some BG's it might look silly, but for this reason most themes have a quite bright background for the artworks. Transparent is my preferred bg.
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PixelSnader Commander Not a troll! Joined: 05 June 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3194	Posted: 14 June 2014 at 1:54pm
	You don't 100% have to include a transparent background. These don't: http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/82626.htm Largely, the 'rule' is to stop people from posting sprites on obnoxious pink backgrounds and in a more sensible presentation. Like Hapiel said, don't upload a giant strip but upload a small clump of animated sprites. Use a grayish or grassgreen or transparent background, and voila. A much nicer way to view your work. However, you might want to ask yourself; if I can't see my sprite on a certain background, have I made a bad sprite? Of course some backgrounds will work better or worse, but the idea of a sprite is to be placed over whatever is already there. You're supposed to use good form, decently contrasted colors, and potentially outlines to make your sprite stand out.
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