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Quote Souly Replybullet Topic: Ok NOT ditching this WIP
    Posted: 13 April 2006 at 10:13am

Ok so I've realized that I ditch every WIP I've ever done.
It's because I suck at shading, and I'm afraid that I'm never going to learn it...

So I've decided to not ditch this one...
I started drawing a hat, and then a face.
Then it looked like mario so I wanted to try a dramatic pose.
I've always sucked at hands, so I spent alot of time trying to draw the fingers on the right hand.

->->->->->->->->->->
Original - Not sure where I want to go with the arm..
Update - I just can't get the left hand to work...
Update - Better left arm, still a sh*tty hand.
Update - Fixed up the hat.
Update - LEGS! I've got legs, now to try adding some clothes...
Update - FIREBALL!!?
Update- Went back to the old arm.
Update - Thinned the lines, BETTER hand buyah, oh yeah flippy hair was added.
Update - Just some small changes on the face and the hat, also increased the flippy hair's size anf flippyness.
Update - Tweeked the legs and feet as well as a much better body line.
Update - He's not naked anymore!
Update - Color. :o
Update - So I accidently flooded the back of the image and saw that the fire ball looked sweet when I did that.



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Quote Saiklor Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 11:41am
if shading is an issue then practise shading. Start with basics like a sphere and a cube, work up the complicated organic shapes slowly, build your confidence.

As to this WIP looks okay, pretty sketchy right now, his straight leg looks fatter than his bent one and his hip looks odd the way it overlaps with his bent leg's thigh. Once you've cleaned it up these issues might be resolved, but bear them in mind eh?
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 12:27pm

Hmm, I never thought about practising on simple shapes...

I need help getting the left hand to be better.
Hands are one of my biggest problems.
That and shading...

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Quote Saiklor Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 12:41pm
for learning to draw things like hands and feet (they're my bane too) I've been told that practising them in regular anatomy until you understand them that way and THEN subjecting them to stylization is the route to go

FARP at elfwood.com has some great hand reference pictures for free use. you might check it out.
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 2:15pm

his left hand in the second update is hot... why did you chaaange it?

The right hand... not so much awesome. It looks broken.
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 9:28pm
The arm or the hand Saboteur?
I think I may have accidently deleted some pixels on the finger.

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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 10:58pm
Ahhh, that'll do it. You did accidentally delete some pixels, myess.
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 11:37pm
I soooo just did I better job on that hand!
I also made the lines smaller. :]

The legs are looking a bit limp and rubbery.
I'm trying to work on them.

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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2006 at 6:56pm
cming along nicely., his legs still look a bit rubbery though.. and i think his left (our right) foot should have a steeper slope at the topside

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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 10:52am
I'm trying to get his legs to look more realistic but it's not working...

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Quote Bifur Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 12:18pm
try to lower the position of the groins and make it in a wider angle

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Quote Buddy Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 12:30pm
I think you should change the color of his clothes.  When Mario had a fireball he had white overalls on I think.
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Quote Bifur Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 12:36pm


This is what he was talking about , but i prefer the red clothes

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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 12:55pm

i think his crotch is too high


i dunno how to explain, but overalls are usually saggy, no?
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 1:49pm
Yeah, it looks alot better that way.

I tried the white and red, but I didn't like it.
So I stuck with the original pallete.

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Quote Bifur Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by leel

i think his crotch is too high


i dunno how to explain, but overalls are usually saggy, no?


That's was what i was talking about b4 ><

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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 6:59pm
->->
Alright so with the help from Shark on learning how to properly shade I've gotten this.
I tweeked the eyes he re-made as well as created on for the left side.
I think the face looks a hell of a lot better now.
As well as the hands.

[UPDATE] Started working on some more random shading on the face.
As well as some highlights in the hair.


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Quote alkaline Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 10:06pm
Not bad so far, just make the crotch line differently because it looks funny that way.
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 7:06am
I'll fix up the crotch as I move my way down.

I changed the eye color to the same color as the overalls.
I'm trying to stay low on colors here.


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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 7:10am
keep at it

btw the skin pallette was made by bisque, she used to have some
amazing pallettes on her site, they tought my a lot about pallettes
and i just thought its a gd resource to include.
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 7:19am
Thanks Shark, I'll work on it some more later today.
Right now I'm off to school.

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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 8:27am
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Working on some pant folds..

[Update] Shark's helping me out with some highlights on the face.
[Update] Much thanks for Shark on helping me get this far in the shading the face.


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Quote ..::Naso::.. Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 10:06am
its comeing out very nice, the shadeing on the face reminds me of pokemon :D, what i think you need to fix is his ear, its shaded weaird cuz its a dif light soruce then your giveing us, also i know its still in WIP but i think adding some contrast to the jeans and gloves would help it alot more, well thats my 2 cents cant wait to see the end :D
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 10:25am
Right now I'm working mainly on the face.
Shark said the same thing about the ear...
I wanted to leave it because it looks weird when I try to change the light source..
But I'll definitly give it a try.

->->->
Hair and moustache began shading..

[Update] New ear.
[Update] Even better new ear, touched up and fixed the air and moustache.
[Update] Started to work on shading the hat. :]


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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 12:54pm
I tried doing just a basic shading of the clothes...
It's deffinitly going to need some working on.

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Quote Setzer Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 1:28pm
his nose doesn't look like its connected to his face =o also I'd ditch a shade of black for the hair, because you can barely tell it's there.
[edit] also, I'd suggest a slightly darker outline for the brim of the cap, kind of hard to tell thats what it is at first glance.


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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2006 at 8:20am
Attempted shading on all the clothes...

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Quote Bifur Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2006 at 11:59am
u shaded the pants in an unnatural way , specially in the groin 

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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2006 at 12:01pm
I'm aware.
I fail at clothing folds.

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2006 at 12:04pm
souly can you explain what all those arrows mean. I understand its the light source but I don't get what is primary and seondary. Use colored arrows so that its easier to crit the folds.
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Quote alkaline Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2006 at 12:23pm
looks like a little pillow shading. maybe look in the mirror and see how folds in pants are shaded
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2006 at 12:42pm
Jalonso, I'm only using what Shark told me to do.
He put the arrows there so I could get an idea of lighting.

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Quote Sibix Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:07pm
shouldnt he have 5 fingers?
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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:10pm
yeah i used many arrows, perhaps too many. basically the ones
going south east are ambience from fireball. and the one s going
south west from the primary lightsource.
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by Sibix

shouldnt he have 5 fingers?

Probably.

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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 9:48am

Alright I tried updating the pants...
I'm going to try and take a picture of me in the same pose and attempt to use my pants as a referance towards how the folds should go.



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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 10:52am

I realize I have a bunch of colors on the hair and moustache that you can't even SEE!
I really need to fix up the stache..

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Quote Setzer Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 1:24pm
I would have mentioned something about them, but I couldn't see them :(
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Quote RoboPanda Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 7:53pm
I would raise the left hand a few ixels it looks like his wrist connects at a wierd angle
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:42pm

Wrist any better?

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Quote Psychotic_Carp Replybullet Posted: 17 May 2006 at 1:55pm
It looks right to me
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 19 June 2006 at 11:52am
Alright so I'm attempting to aa the gloves.
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I deffinitly need a better color for the gloves.


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Quote halfDemon Replybullet Posted: 20 June 2006 at 3:48pm
The highlights on the neck seem off because I think the drastically large head would block the primary light source. Also, the fireball would cast a small hilight on his right side of the hat. And to me, the crouch looks like it has been split in two.
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 20 June 2006 at 4:21pm
I'm adding a secondary lightsource soon, I just have to get the fire ball sorted out.

Alright fireball is taking shape!
I fixed the left leg and the pant folds/shading, thanks to Shark for helping me with it.




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Quote Psychotic_Carp Replybullet Posted: 20 June 2006 at 7:48pm
add some of the darker reds and black to the fireball, it seems to bright.
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