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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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this is probably going to take a little while as ive just started this and i have only one car and yet to make any background,the original pic was far too big which was started in ms paint and i added some cool stuff in psp to liven it up i want to do quite an extensive work cause details are my thing,so how big should i make this,i was thinking along the lines of 600x200 pixels here is the car any comments are welcome
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Monkey 'o Doom
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You've got nothing but gradients here. replace them with solid colors, dither, or be torn to shreds by the better pixel artists.
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leel
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i dunno, i kinda like the gradients.. there's not much room there for solid colors, or maybe thats just me and my failure at small things
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Bifur
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it looks like a box , shape it smoother or something ><
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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its an old lowrider,they did look kind of boxy but thanks for your comment Bifur and the gradients,i started it out with solid colors but it didnt look as good |
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Monkey 'o Doom
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At least dither!
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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i think if i used the dither on this piece it would ruin it,sometimes on some pieces its best not to diter
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Monkey 'o Doom
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Your color count is excessive at best. If you don't believe me, look at what other people can do with 8, about a 20th of your color count of 156. |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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here is a pic of the garage at the moment,its a large pic
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Souly
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It's waaaaay too plain.
Too much grey. Also, you've got to STOP with the gradients. Try putting in tiny details. Too much consistancy is never good in art. |
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Blick
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the car is saved as png so thats probably why the high color count No. Unless you are using one of the worst programs imaginable, that's not why. I could understand .png darkening your image when shown on certain browsers, but adding colors on is your own doing in some other way. By which I mean your gradients. They're really ugly, and just accentuate the fact that the car is so blocky and lacks details or any thought to add details. Especially where the flames are, why no form to the car? No car has a straight level hood like that. There's got to be some form to it somewhere. Those gradients are just killing your color count and the piece in general. |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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souly,ive just started the garage tonight so i have a lot of details to do blick,i have thought about the hood and did take it down to 16 colors but it looked rubbish,and i use paint shop pro 7 by the way ill see what i can do with the hood but at this stage i feel that some of you are being too critical,thanks for the comments though,keep them coming Edited by Dar Kuma |
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PixelSnader
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''the hood and did take it down to 16 colors'' you have used more then 16 colors in the ffing hood alone? an it's very blocky. our ancient volvo has more streamline |
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Souly
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Holy mother of cock f**k, I just counted 23 colors on the GRILL alone...
From zoomed out it only looks like 4 maybe 5 colors. Edited by Souly |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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word at that souly,i work in technicolor
and i think youll find an old 84/85 lincoln mark 4 is blocky as hell |
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Souly
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Part of pixel art is trying to use as little colors as you can Dar, if you have that many colors, that don't even change the look of the care.
Why bother having them there? |
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jalonso
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I guess it no longer matters since you submitted to the gallery, thus
closing this post. As for the "i feel that some of you are being too critical". Don't be sensitive, they are all very valid because they are all meant to show you proper pixel art techniques which you seem to be rather ignorant of at the moment. I don't think any deal with creativity. |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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i did that last night jalonso to use as an avater,then i read the the biggest size was 64x64 which ruled it out well,i know about pixel art,i studied it for like 2 years,anyway,i took the car down to 79 colors and lost the gradient on the grill and hood,and in my own opinion it looks far worse,itried putting some shape into the bonnet also,so you see,i am actually doing something here |
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Dra_chan
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Saving in png doesn't add 100 something colors. Are you sure you didn't use tools?
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PixelSnader
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http://www.prn.ee/ajuvant/reklaam/1970/linc-cont-mark4-77.jp g that car does not consist of a rectangular box with a prism on top. yours does. |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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snader,i love you man
and @Dra_Chan,the cars only 79 colors now i have an idea,what about making the engine come out of the bonnet like a drag car Edited by Dar Kuma |
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jalonso
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Well at the risk of being snobbish, I graduated from the College of
MSPaint where I recieved an AA. Then to the University of Photoshop where I graduated maga cum selout with a minor in ISO. But the comment I have here is somewaht easy math. Your car has 79 colors your bkg over 10. How many colors do you estimate on this garbarage scene once you have several cars and other things on there? |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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a couple of thousand atleast man,nah,i dont know,and i also didnt know there was an ms paint college added a bigger engine and darkened the glass didnt know one car could cause such a problem Edited by Dar Kuma |
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Souly
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Ok so I decided to take it upon myself and lower your rediculously high color count.
I lowered it down to 14 colors. ![]() I even gave the glass some flare by adding a higlight. |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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i think youll find thats 18 colors
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Souly
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Ok so due to your extremly high color count, I missed 4 pixels.
Here is a re-done and better edit. ![]() And it is actually 14 colors now. |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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but why limit the color usage,if the colors are there why not a couple of friends of mine actually said my version was better cause it doesnt look like plastic and that you were quite mad Edited by Dar Kuma |
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Monkey 'o Doom
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In pixel art, it's more of a discipline thing than a true neccessity, but because the artform originally came from 2- and 4-color systems, it is always best to use as few colors as possible. Also, using 156 colors is clear evidence that you're using tools or something worse. 256 colors was the limit for an entire game back i the day, and you use that many for one sprite? Somehow having this many colors seems like a waste now, doesn't it? As for your friends, pixel-aethiests have invalid opinions of pixel art anyway, so take their advice with half a shaker of salt. Still, if you can color-reduce while keeping your general look, and that's what makes you happy, go for it, and then revise. |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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well,i do have it down to 71 colors from 156 dude
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Monkey 'o Doom
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Keep working, and try to get it to 30 or less, I know that's easily possible and won't change any of the style etc. |
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Dar Kuma
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working on it,down to 63
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Setzer
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Dar, I'm curious to see your 16 color version. Pixel art is alll about conservation and working with limitations, one of the reasons I love to see it so much. other comments of mine being in the gallery. basically, give it more form than box + wheels. add some side mirrors, shiny chrome, I dunno, something that makes it look more than a gradient on wheels :p
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Dar Kuma
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mirrors,i never thought of that,good call setzer and im maxxed at 41 colors heres the 16 color version,i didnt like it too much and i think this is the final,41 colors,and thanks again setzer for the mirror idea Edited by Dar Kuma |
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Setzer
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I like the engine. I didn't think your 16 color version looked so bad, you've just got to learn how to manage colors more efficiently is all. to be honest just from the form of the car, I thought it was the back at first glance, looked like the trunk to me. way square in general.
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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thanks setzer,did a bit to the garage and added the car,it needs back wheels |
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Souly
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I actually see NO difference in the 16 as supposed to the 41 colors. |
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Dra_chan
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Originally posted by Souly I actually see NO difference in the 16 as supposed to the 41 colors. Same here, they both look the same to me. Anyways, good improvement. |
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Larwick
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If you dont like the 16 colour version, bump it up to 20 or so and it WILL look exactly the same as the other. I mean, i see only 2 or 3 extra colours needed.
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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there is a difference,i can se a huge difference,if you cant then your blind
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Larwick
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Originally posted by Dar Kuma
there is a difference,i can se a huge difference,if you cant then your blind Maaan that's harsh. |
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Bifur
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I got Daltonism you ugly monster. (lie)
And to see differences i had to zoom it about 8x , use the 16bit color ![]() and that car view doesn't seem to go well along with the garage |
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Monkey 'o Doom
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@bifur-no, 16 bits of color is 2^16 or 65536. I see little to no difference, use the 16 unless you're planning on cursing us to heck in that scenario. |
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Bifur
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Originally posted by Monkey 'o Doom @bifur-no, 16 bits of color is 2^16 or 65536. I see little to no difference, use the 16 unless you're planning on cursing us to heck in that scenario. Thx for the PC lesson , im totaly alien for these things xD |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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Originally posted by Monkey 'o Doom
use the 16 unless you're planning on cursing us to heck in that scenario. thanks guys,thats just given me an idea im still working on the angle and depth at the moment a dumspter i've just made and the base for the tow truck Edited by Dar Kuma |
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Souly
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Originally posted by Dar Kuma there is a difference,i can se a huge difference,if you cant then your blind Are you blind? They DO look the same. |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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they look completely different on my lcd and other people have said different maybe if you looked a little closer
this is how the towtruck is turning out,its based off a landrover bit more work on the wheels i think i can never get round objects looking good Edited by Dar Kuma |
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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i cant get this background looking right due to the head on angle,it pretty much sucks,i think ill stick to makng these funny little cars
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Dar Kuma
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
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i think ive got the background sorted now |
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Dra_chan
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I think Dar Kuma is a joke/troll account.
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Dar Kuma
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why do you think that
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