I honestly think, nothing personal, that comes from the dolling community influence. And it's understandable. I'm sure I didn't react the best when given C+C for the first time. But the dolling community, for the most part, doesn't have the faintest clue on what C+C should be. According to them, if you give it at all, you should weigh it down with feigned, repetitive compliments and something along the lines of "but it looks great otherwise! tee hee!" I know. I used to do it. Of course... I may be wrong when it comes to you but... that's the impression I get.

I think we all realize how much of us goes into our work. Art should be something that comes from inside us in some aspects. But that's why you should want opinions on your work. Because you want to create realistic forms. You want to improve. With your newly acquired skills, think how much better you will be able to create forms that mean something to you, forms that look realistic or semi-realistic and can communicate beyond words to people. If you have so much emotion vested in your art, improving should be something you strive for, IMO.

But people who post "zomg ur leik stupid. whatever not ging to listne" aren't the people who invest in their work and care and that's why people get pissed. We put so much of ourselves into improving, into honing skills and forms, light, and colors that some n00b comes along, doesn't listen, and expects hard work and dedication to art to come to him like pissing, and usually n00bs just want art skillz cause they want lots of comments on their grafics, and more asskissing. Most of us take compliments to heart and really appreciate them, especially when we know we've worked hard, and know we've improved. It means so much when someone recognizes that sometimes. So when some n00b just wants his ass kissed, it's like he's degrading hard work, meaningful compliments... sometimes even art itself.

THAT's why we get pissed, I think. People don't want to dedicate themselves to art, but they want the praise of talent without working for it. It's insulting.

Almost everyone has had some critiques that they really don't want to fix/change for stylistic purposes or because it isn't what was originally envisioned. The best thing to do in such a scenario is to politely explain your intentions and back it up with as many reasons as possible.

Nods. Understandable.

Personally, I don't feel that "this isn't right" is a harsh thing to say. I mean, I think "you suck" is worse. If something doesn't look right... well... it doesn't look right, you know? It's not something that you should worry about. Everyone makes mistakes and some things are hard to tell if you've been looking at something for so long, which is why a third eye is good. I think if all that's given is "this isn't right" ... that's destructive and just.. a waste of bandwith.

I really hope no one's put off by our directness. People can have the tendancy to take things with the wrong tone, like something personal... and it's really not like that with any of us. I think we're all human and we get pissed and we say crap we don't mean sometimes, but for the most part, it's not personal.

There have been people who've made BIG mistakes in the past and redeemed themselves and came back and are now apart of the community.... if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah. If you look at the last two posts on this page you can see he was basically just negating the things Feron said.
Plus, a couple of days ago he used a new account to ask when 'Flameruler13 will get his account back' :)

But you have to think, "what made him become like that?" Probably things similar to his banning, I'd guess. I think it's better to think about things in terms of groups of people as a whole rather than on an indiviual basis, because everyone on the planet relies on other people so the latter approach is illogical. It think it needs to be looked at holistically.

And as far as I saw, he took advice and was pretty friendly up until quite recently; so he clearly does, like everyone, have a great capacity for being a good member. Negativity breeds negativity, and I think he was dealt with in a negative way. I wouldn't call him a n00b, I'd call him a young person who needs help and encouragement, but who was let down.

I'm sure you guys all remember when you were twelve...possibly on some forums...now seriously, how many of you specifically remember you being a major contributor to the benefit of the board? kudos if you do, but...you don't get a sense of respect and/or real manners other than just posting whatever you feel like until you reach a certain age. it's just natural...and flameruler is a natural 12 year old kid. we won't know for sure, but maybe he'll come back one day and look on his behavior and realize how different he was. maybe.