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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 01 November 2006 at 10:47pm

There fixed it up. :]

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Quote Equinoxx Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 4:21am
imo, souly, you could switch the colors on his cap for the the dark redisch tones already available. the ground I'd switch for the purplish shades ...

and I'd add a ramp-up on the right-side to connect to Pie's diagonal line ...

just friendly suggestions do with them what you will.

Also, Jal, I am in the works of altering my ground to match/transition better with your clif, so don't change anything for now, chances are you won't have to

the fence and path rock big-time man


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Quote Blueberry_pie Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 5:16am
Kickass work folks. MoD should totally spread this around his school once it's finished... perhaps the author of the original comic will see it.
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Quote Equinoxx Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 5:24am
so here's my new edit.
it includes some suggestions for edits as well again, purely out of fun do with them what one wants also, they were done really fast so ignore the quality and thought-throughedness (is that even a word?)

edits:
frame 1 : connection to frame 2
frame 2 : connection to frame 3, colorchanges on cap
frame 2 : connection to frame 4
frame 7 : clouds in front of moon connected to maincloud to it's left


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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 10:13am
Good points Eq. Suggested lines in red.



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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 11:26am
I just wanted to say... this is REALLY cool. :)
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 12:16pm
Awesome, awesome work on yer frame, Jal, and I agree with your line-suggestions.
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 12:26pm
By collaboration I thought we'd all do it with our own styles.
Not all copy one similar style through the whole thing.
That way we could tell who's was who's.

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 12:58pm
It started that way but seems to have evolved somewhat, collaborations can do that. As a general rule the point of a collab is to challenge yourself, experiment with other styles and learn new things. In this type of a collab its not knowing who made what that makes it work. Otherwise its a collage.
I think we have all done our own style. Its using the general same colors choices (in this case) that ties it together, its MoDs collab so its his rules. For exmaple I don't think you should change your frame from your style to fit anyone elses. The angled line suggestion is just something that ties things together. You should not have to recolor the ground or change the pattern on the sky. MoD says he started out by basing his frame on yours for inspiration and then recolored to match other frames.
As mentioned by everyone, these are all suggestions not orders.

edit: This was your original comment
Originally posted by Souly


Kinda half assed some parts.
But it's done. :]


Maybe getting motivated to full ass it should be what you learn here.


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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 1:26pm

Jalonso you have turned inot a controll freak....



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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 1:34pm
Not really. I was going to post "Ditto." but I never got around to it.

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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 1:37pm
I agree with Jalonso. This collab certainly has evolved and is turning to be something a lot cooler than a simple 8 panel comic. Plus, comics are all about the ingenuity involved in laying out the script.

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Quote Suicidale Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 1:42pm
jal, ur the better artist, so ill do what you said 
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 1:49pm

I like a good, full ass.

As much as I love your style, souly, I think it'd be cool t'chuck a bit of compromise in there. Lil bit of you, and a touch of everyone else. Fer mine, I TRIED to follow Jal's suit of highlighting on the spikes, but made them faaar more curvey and spiky, which seems to be my style. I just straight up copied the clouds, 'cause I'm half-assed like that.
 
M'iunno. It's up to you, you don't HAVE to change it, but I'd love you so much MORE if you did :)
 
/peerpressure.
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Quote Equinoxx Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 2:49pm
groovy suggestions Jal.

And just to give my own piece of mind, I'd argue that my piece is very much recognisable as mine eventhough I gave it my best to make it blend in with the other frames. So I think it's very much possible to have the best of both worlds.

Awesome collab. we should have more of these small collabs.
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 3:01pm
I don't have the motivation to re-do it.
Dopple submitted his at the same time I did mine.

So we didn't have anything to go from.
I don't really wanna re-do it, since I was having a bad day when I did that.
I might do it in time, if not then someone else can do it.

Sorry guys, I've been having to get living situations figured out.

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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 4:00pm
personally, i liek souly's style a lot more, more lively and hakuna matata, like the story is. no problems no worries

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Quote Suicidale Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 8:14pm


did what jal said would be good ^^
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 8:45pm
Lazily edited according to your edit :)
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 02 November 2006 at 9:16pm

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There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross.
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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 7:44am

I think the red lines suck.

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 9:22am
Stop being a comedian and work on your frame 
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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 9:33am
I'm just saying since when do real comics have continuity in frames? That wasn't part of the original deal.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 9:49am
P_O, I know that, but its a collaboration between 8 people that has evolved from rules that were not very strict to begin with. Creative people can and do get creative.

6 Have agreed to work together in a more collaborative way. Working with and off each other in a way that has been fun, inspiring and elevated a simple thing into something way cooler than it would probably be otherwise.

2 Are being defensive and seem unable/unwilling to work with others as a team, too bad

This is all Dopple's fault for making such a kickass frame


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col·lab·o·rate  (k-lb-rt)
intr.v. col·lab·o·rat·ed, col·lab·o·rat·ing, col·lab·o·rates
1. To work together, especially in a joint intellectual effort.


[Late Latin collabrre, collabrt- : Latin com-, com- + Latin labrre, to work (from labor, toil).]

col·labo·ration n. col·labo·rative adj. col·labo·rator n.
hm();Sources=Sources | 2;
Synonyms:
Noun1.collaboration - act of working jointly; "they worked either in collaboration or independently"

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000


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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 10:20am

It looks incomplete right now. A few not-so-hard-to-do-good-practice edits wouldn't kill you. For the moment, I'll edit souly's to merge a lil better with the adjacents without damaging the style, thus layering the pressure on to P_O.

Bwahahahaha malice.
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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 10:22am
I was wondering how long it would take til I was put at fault. 
Just kidding...
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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 10:29am
Forget it just cut mine out.
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 10:35am
Whoa rapid posting :)
 
 
I ain't gonna cut yours out, P_o. I'm not sure why anyone would. It'd just be THAT MUCH COOLER if you ran with the style.
 
Oh, and souly, if you don't like anything I did t'yer piece, scream at me and I'll take my edit and go hide in a hole for numerous years, never to see the light of moon again.
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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 10:43am

I don't understand why mine has red lines? It doesn't line up with the next frame even...

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 10:47am
Not to be a control freak (as accused). My opinion is that suggestions are fine but nobody should alter other's frames. If Souly and P_O wish to drop out then so be it. Others who are interested can join in to re-make those two frames. Ensellitis was bumped out by Suicidale, he can jump back in and ease his anger? Scottfro found the textures inspiring and started a WIP using them, he may be interested too? Or someone else?

edit: P_O the red lines over your frame were a suggestion for carrying the sky into your frame and was not intended to be final. The frames have been compiled into one only to keep control of colors and for all to work their frame in a cohesive manner. Once all the frames are 100% complete one of us will make the final version with unified colors. All the individual frames have color shifting from the .bmp, .gif and .png type files. The red lines I made, the redraw Eq made and Sab's latest edit are 'discussion' files not to be taken as final. We are still working at it. Again, its a collaboration.


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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 10:57am
Lets take a look on where you stand jal.
 
You've made one tile, and from this tile you have set the rules and colors for half the whole comic. You decided to connect your image,now we all have to? You added your own colors and now we are forced to use your colors?
How is it creative when I'm doing carbon copies of everyone elses styles and colors? I expected a free thinker and whimsical liberal such as yourself to understand this. If you want to start your own lines and comic then go ahead.
 
*These are just suggestions, but i will bitch and whine if you don't like them, hell if you don't I'll just use my mod tools to loom over you*


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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 10:59am
But see the ORIGINAL concept of this collab was made by MoD, and only MoD alone should have the power to decide what he wants his collab to become.

I originally thought that since we'd be doing our OWN frames that all of us would have a different style.
But you decided to copy and keep with one style.

I don't want to change mine because that's what I submitted to the collab.
I did this before any unwritten rules were made.

You aren't acting like a mod jal, and sorry if this is in any way offensive.
But I do believe you are being a control freak and not controlling the peace like you should.

You're demanding things from everyone as if this is your collab when obviously it isn't.

If MoD decides that he wants the whole thing to look the same then that's his decision.
In which case I'll pull out and someone can finish off my panel.
I didn't want to copy a style I wanted to add to the comic.
I personally thought panels from different artists with different art techniques would've looked much cooler then a single style copied by different artists.

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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:06am
I'm willing to improve my tile but I don't want to copy the style.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:09am
You really are misunderstanding what has evolved here. A quick synopsis.

  • MoD started thread
  • Souly made a frame
  • Dopple made a frame
  • I made a frame and was impressed by his so I attempted to make my own but not take away from the beauty of his. (I left it as WIP until others made theirs). I could just as well have taken Souly's frame but I know that style and no longer find it challenging. He called it half-assed anyways (safe to assume he might come back to it.)
  • Eq, wanted to try a new way of dithering and carried it over to his frame.)
  • MoD, inspired by Souly's re-worked to fit in with the 3.
  • Sab, inspired by mine made his.
  • Suicidale, must have liked what was happening cause he went and made a frame that was already asked for. No one here is 'lord and master' so he stayed in the collab.
  • Ens, got mad.
  • Souly and P_O object to the direction of the collab.
  • We are now discussing things.
edit: My main concern now is that you both feel its me taking over/controlling things. This was the last thing on my mind and did not feel that I was doing so. MoD ditto'd my first comment regarding a direction. Eq, Dopple seconded the flow of things. Suicidale did too by adding his to what was obvious was happening on the comic.
This really was a great and fun collab and perhaps I got overly involved in trying to make a great and sucessful collab (not many, if any, ever get completed around here).


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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:09am
Immitated, not copied, and I took souly's (your) comments to mean you were open to someone else editing yours.
 
Control freak my ass. Jal has a vision, and he's pushing for it. You don't HAVE TO merge yours with the others. You don't HAVE TO do anything. If you're going to be swayed or moved by sulking
 
And I find your comment about creativity a little off, there, P_O. It'd be a different matter if your tile was unique, but it does still follow the general dynamic. Who said you HAVE TO have spikes down there? maybe it was flames, who knows.
 
To be flat-out honest, the only change I feel "needs" to happen right now is for MoD/P_O's tiles to be better merged. Then I'd be happy, more or less.
 
Hah, I love drama.
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Quote Equinoxx Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:10am
i think it's not a matter of copying a style. if you noticed, my style is entirely different from dopple. it's jsut the same colorscheme + borrowed colors from souly. then clouds are made to connect frames.

so no need to copy imo your frame is darn good as it is,. it would just be fine if it'd connect somehow to the previous frame thats all
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:24am
NOTICE:
Public stoning of Doppleganger will be held at the PJForum Square at precisely* 8PM. Be there, bring stones.

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Quote scottfro Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:25am
why not just do 2 versions of the thing?  one with the unified style and one with unique styles from each artist?  seems everyone could be happy then, ppl that didn't like the unification could put their art towards the new comic and others could wrap up the old..... just a thought
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:30am
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Public worship'n scottfro will be held at the PJForum Square at precisely* 9PM. Be there, bring cookies.

* control freak

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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:48am
Mm, thought of that, and realised that -I-'d be the stubborn one that time, and only participate in the unified version.
 
Iunno why we'd stone dopple. Dopple kicks ass. I suggest pixelblink as resident scapegoat this time. He's canadian, and therefore can take it.
 
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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:49am
Oh man, such intensity.

I'll be equipped with an unfathomable amount of WMDs at the PJForums square so, you better bring REALLY BIG stones. :p
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:52am
Originally posted by Souly

...You aren't acting like a mod jal, and sorry if this is in any way offensive. But I do believe you are being a control freak and not controlling the peace like you should...


FYI, I am participating in this collab as an equal member of this community not a mod. I am able to seperate myself from mod duties and participate rather than oversee. When I participate as a member I leave all mod duties to the others.

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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 12:45pm
Woah. This has gotten REALLY offtopic. Maybe I can steer this topic back towards the collaborative theme it was supposed to have.
 
I understand that some people may have problems with jalonso's suggestions. But that's just it; they're suggestions. He presented them as something we could choose to do and several of us liked the idea and editted our frames accordingly. If anyone dislikes the red-line suggestions, simply take this as an opportunity to check to be sure your art is well-polished and put it in the most recent version of the collab image.
 
In a little bit, I'll post my tile, added to the most recent version of the image. From then on, can we please try to be a bit more tolerant, focused on the goal here (not stoning or celebrating anyone), and communicative? Thanks. This collab is awesome so far, so let's not let it explode in all our faces.

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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by Saboteur

I suggest pixelblink as resident scapegoat this time. He's canadian, and therefore can take it.
 
PIXELBLINK FOR TSAR.


Huzzah! As Tsar and supreme control freak, I demand everyone chill the hell out and give each other a hug. This is the Canadian way.

I suggest we all leave this strip as is and move on to a new one.
Don't make me close this thread and send you all to your rooms!
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Quote scottfro Replybullet Posted: 03 November 2006 at 12:59pm
where are you from in canada pixelblink?  i'm now in canada...escaped from the prison nation just south of us.....working towards residency here.
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 05 November 2006 at 3:00pm
I'm in Vancouver. Home to the Canucks and crackheads
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Quote scottfro Replybullet Posted: 05 November 2006 at 8:44pm
Originally posted by pixelblink

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