Pixel Joint Forum: christmas game pic

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   huy guys.
im going to make a christmas themed game
this pic'd be the bg of the menu.
im not sure the tree is good enough. however, its still not finished
ill palce some stuff on it, like that yellow.. i dont know whats that name

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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Topic: christmas game pic Posted: 12 November 2006 at 6:05am
	huy guys. im going to make a christmas themed game this pic'd be the bg of the menu. im not sure the tree is good enough. however, its still not finished ill palce some stuff on it, like that yellow.. i dont know whats that name
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EyeCraft Commander Joined: 07 July 2005 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 425	Posted: 12 November 2006 at 7:40am
	Hello there...ok, crits: - get rid of the black outlines - smoothen the curve of the yellow circle - add texture to the tree, look at some ref photos...pine tree, right? They've got needles im pretty sure.. - the tinsel looks way too solid and not very shiny. Try to find some reference pics for that too.
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 12 November 2006 at 8:01am
	*Originally posted by EyeCraft* Hello there...ok, crits: - get rid of the black outlines - smoothen the curve of the yellow circle - add texture to the tree, look at some ref photos...pine tree, right? They've got needles im pretty sure.. - the tinsel looks way too solid and not very shiny. Try to find some reference pics for that too. sry, i have to arguing, or be nubis.. i dont know -why do i have to remove the black outline? -i dont know how can that yellow thing more smooth than this. (i saw some tutorial) - i cant find any "pixel-arted" pine trees, and tinsels neither. Edited by Borgi - 12 November 2006 at 8:02am
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Omegavolt Commander Joined: 03 March 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 227	Posted: 12 November 2006 at 8:34am
	Eyecraft isnt talking about the shading, which Im sure is what youre referring to, he's talking about the border. It looks like youve used the Circle Tool in MS Paint and picked an odd radius for your circle, causing it to come out VERY jaggy. If you decide to leave it that size, you will need to do some heavy AA to get it back in shape. AA = anti-aliasing if you didnt know. Check spriteart.com for a tut on that, or they may have one here, not sure.
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EyeCraft Commander Joined: 07 July 2005 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 425	Posted: 12 November 2006 at 8:35am
	Well the reference photos dont have to be pixel art at all...just photos of actual trees and tinsel so you can study what they look like. I personally find black outlines harsh and ugly. Smooth curves: http://www.spriteart.com/tutorials/01_lines.html
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 12 November 2006 at 11:19am
	hmm.. ive updated this "ball" i know, just the shading's changed bit im not sure what do you mean. ok, ill remove the balck outline, but i tought i use AA when it's background. and with that ouline of the tree, i wanted to show that's a pine tree. but as Eyecraft mentioned ill look for some real pine trees, and get some idea.. i hope i can :) Edited by Borgi - 12 November 2006 at 11:27am
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Omegavolt Commander Joined: 03 March 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 227	Posted: 12 November 2006 at 1:27pm
	Again, we're not talking about shading. I did up a circle in MS Paint, it looks like you used 27x27. Definitely too odd of a number for MS Paint to round out very smooth. But if youre stuck on using that radius, might I again suggest some AA? I AA'd your 27x27 circle to give you an idea of how to do it. A circle similar to your ornament is on the left, my AA'd example is on the right.
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 12 November 2006 at 1:54pm
	hm. im still dont understand you. why sould i do this before i place it on the tree? it is antialiased with white background, but i'd look not the same on the tree. i hope you know what i mean. but, truly im quite new at here, and at pixel art, so, you do this way? you create AA before place to the right place? did i misunderstand anything? :) Edited by Borgi - 12 November 2006 at 1:55pm
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Pieface Commander Joined: 09 February 2006 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 146	Posted: 12 November 2006 at 1:59pm
	Yes you do, do AA. It won't look any different on the tree, try it yourself, just move the AA version and the normal version on the tree an you will see
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 12 November 2006 at 2:09pm
	i think, that one is on the tree is not so good :$
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Larwick Commander Joined: 18 July 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4015	Posted: 12 November 2006 at 2:46pm
	Borgi, we can't think for you. Obviously it looks bad if you do it that way, so don't! He only showed an example, not how you HAD to do it. Also, you could have smoothened that ball without AA... but it looks okay now i guess. A bit furry though. Good luck with your piece. Edited by Larwick - 12 November 2006 at 2:46pm

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Omegavolt Commander Joined: 03 March 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 227	Posted: 13 November 2006 at 5:19am
	sigh The obvious solution is not to use a 27x27 circle. A 28x28 circle is MUCH smoother. You can even probably get away with not using AA if you use it. But thats really all any of us can tell you.
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 13 November 2006 at 7:26am
	okay. okay. ive started that tree again from the beginning. any better way? or suggestions?
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PixelSnader Commander Not a troll! Joined: 05 June 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3194	Posted: 13 November 2006 at 7:53am
	this is a lot better and more realistical to begin with
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EyeCraft Commander Joined: 07 July 2005 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 425	Posted: 13 November 2006 at 9:02am
	Ahh thats much better. Keep going
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 13 November 2006 at 9:41am
	thank you guys.
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 13 November 2006 at 10:07am
	here i go. what do you think about my tinsel? and i think my tree is too "2d". Edited by Borgi - 13 November 2006 at 10:08am
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brianna Seaman Joined: 02 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 27	Posted: 13 November 2006 at 3:54pm
	Just as you varied the green in your original to give it depth you can do the same in your detailed version. A lighter green where the light hits it, a darker for areas in the shadow. Love the silver tinsel. Edited by brianna - 13 November 2006 at 3:54pm
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Larwick Commander Joined: 18 July 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4015	Posted: 13 November 2006 at 4:01pm
	I suggest the tinsel is made to look as though it is hanging over the branches and around the tree, rather than pasted ontop. Perhaps some perspective diagrams would help, so you can keep it the same throughout. Good update, adding some depth should help tremendously, perhaps also clean it up a tad.

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Omegavolt Commander Joined: 03 March 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 227	Posted: 14 November 2006 at 1:52pm
	Wow. Thats uhh... an amazing improvement there. You went from green blob to near-photorealistic in 24 hours. That is, hands down, the best pixelled pine tree Ive ever seen. Nice!
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 14 November 2006 at 3:16pm
	I like how realistic you've made it, but I'd give it some highlights. It looks a bit flat. But otherwise, keep going!
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 15 November 2006 at 5:45am
	don say that. coz im going to become very shy thank you very much anyway now im doing the tinsels, thanks for the idea Larwick, i made "wavy" tinsels ;> Edited by Borgi - 15 November 2006 at 5:46am
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 15 November 2006 at 9:07am
	hey again. whick one do you prefer? on the second one, i tried to show that tinsel is on the tree, not in front of the tree.. :>
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PixelSnader Commander Not a troll! Joined: 05 June 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3194	Posted: 15 November 2006 at 9:56am
	second one, most definitely. this looks wicked nice, you did all this with pencil tool?
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Pieface Commander Joined: 09 February 2006 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 146	Posted: 15 November 2006 at 10:17am
	Im sorry but i usually think of a pine tree with alot more coverage, this one seems a bit too bare
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 15 November 2006 at 10:21am
	*Originally posted by snader* second one, most definitely. this looks wicked nice, you did all this with pencil tool? ive done this with Multimedia Fusion 2's picture editor. yes its pencil, but i can change the Opacity. and i think this tree is bushy enough :P
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Genesis Seaman Joined: 20 August 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13	Posted: 15 November 2006 at 2:27pm
	Just want to say that this picture has come a long way. Look at the original and then your current version. Compare them. Nice job.
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Buzz Midshipman Joined: 13 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 94	Posted: 15 November 2006 at 3:16pm
	It's a massive improvement...very nice...I'm not sure how you improved that much...but I wish I could...

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Larwick Commander Joined: 18 July 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4015	Posted: 15 November 2006 at 3:29pm
	*Originally posted by Borgi* but i can change the Opacity. DON'T Your picture has 572 colours because of that. I suggest you reduce them immediately and make sure you stick to a palette, or it'll get really out of hand.

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Jace Seaman Joined: 29 July 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 16	Posted: 16 November 2006 at 8:23am
	*Originally posted by Borgi* hey again. whick one do you prefer? on the second one, i tried to show that tinsel is on the tree, not in front of the tree.. :> The improvement is amazing. Though you should cover the branches of the tree more, as real christmas tree's branches are not that exposed.
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ceddo Commander Joined: 01 June 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 466	Posted: 16 November 2006 at 10:03am
	Ooh, that looks amazing compared to your first version :) Amazing improvement there, but as Pieface pointed out, I would think of a pine-tree with much more coverage, like a blanket of needles (and maybe a blanket of snow too). It lacks shape now, looks a bit too much like a blob of needles all over. Your progress is great so far though, keep it up!
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Borgi Midshipman Joined: 04 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 16 November 2006 at 12:20pm
	thanks guys, for all of the crits :) good to hear things like this ;>
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