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Dutrho
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Topic: Emo-Bot
    Posted: 04 September 2007 at 8:52am


I know there's still much work to be done on this piece, just wanted to get some impressions.

undecided if i'm gonna add a background.

any thoughts?
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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 04 September 2007 at 8:57am
try to add a colored light source like orange or light blue. Metal isnt grey it reflects all light rays.
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Quote raelz Replybullet Posted: 04 September 2007 at 9:16am
but emos do not see those beatiful colours, the world is so gray and unhappy.. ;-)
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That's odd... I saved as png. It must've changed it to png when I uploaded it...
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Quote Elk Replybullet Posted: 04 September 2007 at 9:59am
add a second lightsource
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 04 September 2007 at 10:22pm
anyone mind pointing me towards a good second light source pic. just so I can use as a reference.

I've looked around, coudn't find a good one.

also, not all metals are ultra shinny, I wanted this to look worn & a bit weather beaten.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 05 September 2007 at 11:09am
I like this a lot, but the line tool legs are kind of bugging me. It looks like they're made of the same flexible stuff Bender's limbs are made of, so the ruler-straightness strikes me as odd.

EDIT: Also, the right (our right) arm is out of perspective.

Edited by Hatch - 05 September 2007 at 11:15am
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 05 September 2007 at 11:26am
after all, he's an emo bot.
I think you could find a good reference on this light tutorial. on page 3 it speaks about mixed ligthing.
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Quote M.E. Replybullet Posted: 05 September 2007 at 11:44am
Ha ha Metaru,

When you was posting this I was searching for
second light source references on google as well.
The one you found was extremely interesting
to me as well. All different lightsources are
explained and shown. Beautiful source indeed.

I have found more.

Great piece of lighting and shadow writing. With
pictures to prove it. OK it is about photos but we
can learn from it as well :)http://www.itchy-animation.co.uk/tutorials/light01.htm


Not much of a show but interesting read:
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy05/phy05122.htm


Flash lightning:
http://www.dembflashproducts.com/flipit/portrait/

Watch what happens when the light comes from above
and an extra flash is used to highlight the eyes.

Look what happens to the spheres when secondary
lightsource is brought in:
http://www.thp.uni-duisburg.de/~kai/index_4.html


Another photographic lightsource demonstration:
http://ttp://www.photoflexlightingschool.com/Equipment_Lessons/StarFlash/Portraits_with_a_StarFlash_OctoDome_Strobe_Kit/index.html


So this should get you going for a while


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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 05 September 2007 at 11:50am
a wise artist once said theres no better art teacher than nature. look around you and u will see many examples of lighting, light sources shadows etc.
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 06 September 2007 at 9:05am
Thanks for all the light tuts.  very interesting read, not done reading them yet, its making me remember all the stuff I forgot while smoking pot in art class in high school. LOL

I'm just experimenting with the light stuff


The legs have been bothering me as well, but they weren't made using the line tool, altough that would have gone a bit quicker, i'll probably add a curve to them like someone sitting on the ground with his legs(feet) closer to him.

I'll fix the arm as well, altough in the lineart stage they looked perfectly aligned, but when I coloured it, it then seemed out of place, odd.
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 07 September 2007 at 12:07am
The feet seem off perspective. The different color light source looks good but you should try to blend it in with the grey with a more saturated form of blue.
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 09 September 2007 at 9:31am


Worked on the legs quite a bit, tried a golden yellow second light source(still experimenting)

haven't touched the "left" arm placement yet.
eorked on some inner highlights just for fun.
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 09 September 2007 at 8:40pm
hehe, nice work thus far, you need to blend it a bit better and only use the lightest oranges for the edges.
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 09 September 2007 at 10:01pm
You really don't have to go so over board with the second lightsource...


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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 12 September 2007 at 8:31am


thanks for the tips, hope I didnt go too far with the 2nd LS, I want it to come from the bottom right.
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 12 September 2007 at 11:27pm
I'd spend more time looking at Souly's edit. The shading behind the robot's shoulder and on the sleeve seems really strong.

But you've DEFINITELY come far in this piece and it's looking good.

I personally think you should change it back to blue. It gave it a more of a melancholy quality.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 13 September 2007 at 6:05am
I dunno guys i think his first secondary lightsource update was the best. It needs to fade gradually around the robot, or it will look flat.

Dutrho, don't forget to AA!

I personally feel you should redo the hands, or at least the fingers. The wrists are also terribly thin, i'd make it as wide as his neck or legs.

Good luck.
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 13 September 2007 at 9:19am


In keeping with my strict "one thing at a time" rule
here's 2 version of the same thing.

I will not forget the aa, nor his left arm placement or the hands/wrists.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 13 September 2007 at 10:05am
Alright no problem.

You need to darken and lower the saturation of the darkest blue. Use the greys nearest to it to blend it with the darkest gray, too (i see you've already done it, but i think you could use one more gray).

Also, you're shading the blues like so:

OOOOO
OOOOO
OOOOO
OOOOO
OOOOO
OOOOO

When you should be shading it like sooo:

OOOOO
OOOOO
OO
OOO
OOOOO
OOO
OO
OOOOO

I hope that makes sense.. it's quite a big problem.
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 14 September 2007 at 9:18am
I hope so too :)

here's a quick try

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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 17 September 2007 at 8:51am
Alright so I moved his left arm 2px up,2px right and worked on his wrist.
tried some aa, but looked horrible, truly horrible.

lil help!

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Quote Lawrence Replybullet Posted: 17 September 2007 at 10:43pm
Here's an edit to show you roughly how I would render this:


(I ran out of time and didn't get to do the legs fully)

In yours, the colours for the arms and legs are extremely similar to the body's colours, so I decided to take them and add them to the body's colour ramp.

On the top of the head and top of the body you've altered the shading on the left. If they're flat, then there should be only one colour (for the diffuse reflection) except if you are adding specular reflections (as I have) and a few other circumstances. Basically the same goes for the inside of the door thing, and the blue highlights; keep the shading in line with the shape of the object, not 'splatted' on.

I've added a few other things which might interest you. Take the outline removal with a pinch of salt though.
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 19 September 2007 at 9:06am


tried some aa and edited the 2nd light-source(again).
I like your edit but thats definitely not my style. although I like the nics and scratches, I think I'll try that.
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:14am
Added some scratches, worked a bit more on the aa.
Unless I missed something I think i'm ready to submit it.

 


Edited by Dutrho - 21 September 2007 at 10:19am
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 21 September 2007 at 10:29am
Does the indise dither need to be a 50/50 ?
ok at 1x, but its such a 'zoomable' pixel and when zoomed the 50/50 looks cheap.
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Quote Squirrelsquid Replybullet Posted: 21 September 2007 at 11:19am
I agree with Jalonso, instead of the dither you should put some gears or wires in there. You could even go as far and put a lightsource inside of him, throwing light onto the hatch.
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:58am
Ok so I messed around with the insides a bit, added some sort of malfunctioning heart valve.



Still some room on the left But I don't know what to put there if anything, tried wires but it looked crappy.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 25 September 2007 at 10:40am
put a piston. you have some frames to animate it. also, he's an emo-bot, how about making him with a disconected heart(I know, its a cliché, but Emos are just a big cliché)
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 25 September 2007 at 10:51am
Try gears, like a watch would have?
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 26 September 2007 at 8:49am

Now with a malfunctioning heart, gears and a pump.
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Quote l3m0n5 Replybullet Posted: 26 September 2007 at 9:01am
wow i see a lot of progress in this piece well done so far man, it might just be me but the arms and legs of the robot kind of look "rope"-ish
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 26 September 2007 at 9:09am
Wow that really works : /

I would color gears using the arms/leg colors. While there maybe the heart can be placed in perspective instead of the 2D flat?
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 26 September 2007 at 9:42am

done, as for the heart, i'm not sure, I kinda like the way it is, even though its out of perspective

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 26 September 2007 at 10:13am
Fair enough : )
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Quote BlackDragon Replybullet Posted: 26 September 2007 at 12:02pm

Put a puff of smoke or a spark in his gears, or a crack in that emo heart of his.

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 26 September 2007 at 11:26pm
Make a tear fall from his face! Give him self inflicted wounds. XD
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Quote Dutrho Replybullet Posted: 27 September 2007 at 7:20am
sorry guys, this has been submitted already
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Quote BlackDragon Replybullet Posted: 27 September 2007 at 2:12pm
You can update it ;-)
Go to your gallery, click on "edit details", update.


Edited by BlackDragon - 27 September 2007 at 2:13pm
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