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Tarenken
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Topic: [WIP] Birdman Kikinak
Posted: 11 December 2011 at 7:03pm

So I finished the duck from the last thread, the weasel is sitting around waiting, for now.

I've always wanted to do a bigger project, like a scene with a character in it... push my limits a bit, you know? I've never been good at backgrounds and stuff like that.

A re-imagining of Kikinak from Jade Cocoon. Mostly looking for composition, anatomy and perspective critiques, but anything on the pixel level is fine too.

Palettes I'm using are This and This combined, both by Dawnbringer.

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ChrisButton
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Posted: 13 December 2011 at 2:06am

Can't criticize the anatomy until you've defined it!

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Tarenken
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Posted: 13 December 2011 at 7:08pm

I... don't quite understand what you mean? I wanted to know if the proportions and such looked right :T

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cure
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Posted: 13 December 2011 at 9:28pm

the legs look really short, lower body is generally too small for upper body I believe. i'd do something else with his arms, right now it looks like both are asleep and just dangling at his sides- the pose should have purpose and character.

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Tarenken
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Posted: 15 December 2011 at 12:00am

Thanks for the advice Cure. Decided to totally redo the pose with a better reference this time.

The story of this piece (without going too indepth into Jade Cocoon's story) - the character was a minor god stripped of his powers for falling in love with a human. He's watching a major human settlement being destroyed by insects sent by the 'head' god that took away his godhood... He's not looking on in sadness or anger, but rather a quiet sort of contemplation, wondering whose side he should be on.

Fixed the shading of the hat a bit as well.

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jeremy
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Posted: 15 December 2011 at 12:59am

The clusters in the mouth are quite lovely. I have a little trouble reading the ears(?), and you're shading a little close to white for my tastes - particularly the lightest greens, which could use a shift towards yellow and an increase in saturation.

Edited by Jeremy - 18 December 2011 at 4:21am

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Tarenken
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Posted: 18 December 2011 at 3:32am

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ChrisButton
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Posted: 19 December 2011 at 1:49am

What I meant by defining your anatomy is to make the shape of your

object more obvious. For instance the wings, arms, legs has shown you've taken a painter's approach to this piece. So once you start sculpting and

defining I can comment on if their shapes are realistic and stuff.

There's a few contradictions in this piece if the light source is infact coming

from the upper right hand corner of the canvas. I'm getting the impression

there's a secondary frontal light source aswell because of things like the

lips and the upper portion of the beak. But then there is higlights

everywhere else like the bottom of the beard thing and stuff..

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Retrogasm
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Posted: 21 December 2011 at 7:34pm

Head looks great so far. Did you play Jade Cocoon by any chance? It's a game for the PS one, and your character looks a LOT like one of the enemies from the game that later becomes your friend.

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Tarenken
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Posted: 22 December 2011 at 5:55pm

I have a bit more time to work on this now... Just decided to block out some basic shade planning stuff...

Chrisbutton: I'm not sure what you mean by "sculpting", do you mean adding rudimentary shading like I did on the wings or what? I figure having a secondary frontal lightsource would work fine, though I'm not sure where it'd be coming from in the scene itself... maybe a fire or something on the rooftop?

Retrogasm: Yep, I mentioned that in my first post :)

Edited by Tarenken - 22 December 2011 at 5:55pm

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Tarenken Commander Joined: 19 September 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 251	Topic: [WIP] Birdman Kikinak Posted: 11 December 2011 at 7:03pm
	So I finished the duck from the last thread, the weasel is sitting around waiting, for now. I've always wanted to do a bigger project, like a scene with a character in it... push my limits a bit, you know? I've never been good at backgrounds and stuff like that. A re-imagining of Kikinak from Jade Cocoon. Mostly looking for composition, anatomy and perspective critiques, but anything on the pixel level is fine too. Palettes I'm using are This and This combined, both by Dawnbringer.
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ChrisButton Commander Joined: 10 September 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 371	Posted: 13 December 2011 at 2:06am
	Can't criticize the anatomy until you've defined it!
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Tarenken Commander Joined: 19 September 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 251	Posted: 13 December 2011 at 7:08pm
	I... don't quite understand what you mean? I wanted to know if the proportions and such looked right :T
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cure Commander Joined: 23 March 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2859	Posted: 13 December 2011 at 9:28pm
	the legs look really short, lower body is generally too small for upper body I believe. i'd do something else with his arms, right now it looks like both are asleep and just dangling at his sides- the pose should have purpose and character.
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Tarenken Commander Joined: 19 September 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 251	Posted: 15 December 2011 at 12:00am
	Thanks for the advice Cure. Decided to totally redo the pose with a better reference this time. The story of this piece (without going too indepth into Jade Cocoon's story) - the character was a minor god stripped of his powers for falling in love with a human. He's watching a major human settlement being destroyed by insects sent by the 'head' god that took away his godhood... He's not looking on in sadness or anger, but rather a quiet sort of contemplation, wondering whose side he should be on. Fixed the shading of the hat a bit as well.
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jeremy Rear Admiral Joined: 25 November 2024 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 1704	Posted: 15 December 2011 at 12:59am
	The clusters in the mouth are quite lovely. I have a little trouble reading the ears(?), and you're shading a little close to white for my tastes - particularly the lightest greens, which could use a shift towards yellow and an increase in saturation. Edited by Jeremy - 18 December 2011 at 4:21am
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Tarenken Commander Joined: 19 September 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 251	Posted: 18 December 2011 at 3:32am

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ChrisButton Commander Joined: 10 September 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 371	Posted: 19 December 2011 at 1:49am
	What I meant by defining your anatomy is to make the shape of your object more obvious. For instance the wings, arms, legs has shown you've taken a painter's approach to this piece. So once you start sculpting and defining I can comment on if their shapes are realistic and stuff. There's a few contradictions in this piece if the light source is infact coming from the upper right hand corner of the canvas. I'm getting the impression there's a secondary frontal light source aswell because of things like the lips and the upper portion of the beak. But then there is higlights everywhere else like the bottom of the beard thing and stuff..
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Retrogasm Seaman Joined: 21 December 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 14	Posted: 21 December 2011 at 7:34pm
	Head looks great so far. Did you play Jade Cocoon by any chance? It's a game for the PS one, and your character looks a LOT like one of the enemies from the game that later becomes your friend.
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Tarenken Commander Joined: 19 September 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 251	Posted: 22 December 2011 at 5:55pm
	I have a bit more time to work on this now... Just decided to block out some basic shade planning stuff... Chrisbutton: I'm not sure what you mean by "sculpting", do you mean adding rudimentary shading like I did on the wings or what? I figure having a secondary frontal lightsource would work fine, though I'm not sure where it'd be coming from in the scene itself... maybe a fire or something on the rooftop? Retrogasm: Yep, I mentioned that in my first post :) Edited by Tarenken - 22 December 2011 at 5:55pm
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