Resources and Support | |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Page of 2 Next >> |
Author | Message |
pixelblink
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 February 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2865 |
![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: 14 March 2006 at 1:37pm |
Who thinks the admins should be more judgemental and stringent when going through the approval process on the main site? Should we be rejecting more pixels directing more members to the forums for WIP approval? Should we be a bit more lax and let pretty much anything that is pixel art through approval? Just curious on your guys' thoughts. Please keep this thread clean and post thoughts related directly to my questions and ideas. Edited by pixelblink |
|
![]() |
|
Monkey 'o Doom
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2994 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think maybe there should be a way to redirect low quality art to the WIP section, but then we really would need a defined set of criteria for work being submitted to the gallery.
|
|
![]() |
|
pixelblink
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 February 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2865 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
What do you think that criteria should be?
|
|
![]() |
|
0xDB
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 March 2025 Online Status: Offline Posts: 209 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don't think there should be any raised standards.
Like i said on the chatterbox, a "vote for revision" button would be nice. That could, if enough votes get in, either automatically suggest the artist to get feedback on the forums or only report the piece to an admin to decide whether to take it out of the gallery or not. off-topic: (i hadn't read yours and Bisques chatterbox entries when i made my last one there, so that comment wasn't made because of stubborness on my side, just because it took me so long to write it) |
|
![]() |
|
Monkey 'o Doom
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2994 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I'm not really sure, and I think that is an issue; there's a fine line between a heavily stylized peice, and a total heap of trash, and different people intrepret styles differently, leading to possible misunderstandings. Some pieces that receive great comments in the gallery often get equally degrading comments; take this piece as an example. The problem with setting any real criteria is that they are, by definition, based on personal opinion, and may be unacceptable for some people, while being someone else's firm belief. *Whoo* long post! Edit: dang, someone beat me to reply. lol Edited by Monkey 'o Doom |
|
![]() |
|
Dra_chan
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 628 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think that as long as the person is not cheating or ripping art off,
it is ok to let them post their stuff. Of course the piece should show
that at least the person put some effort into it, even if it doesn't
look that good.
The hall of fame and the rating system is to separate the good stuff from the bad stuff, I don't think that anybody should be denied the opportunity to display their work, if they think they have finished the piece. If the piece needs lots more to be done, people can always suggest (in a polite way) to ask for feedback in the WIP forum, or give it right there in the gallery if it's not much. |
|
![]() |
|
pixelblink
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 February 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2865 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Okay, some good points are brought up so far. I have a task for everyone: Which would you approve and why? Which wouldn't be? What would be your response to the member if they felt you were in the wrong? Be honest, be brutal... these images are done by me and are intended to be a part of this discussion only. Feel free to rip them apart |
|
![]() |
|
Dra_chan
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 628 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I would take 4, 5 and 6, because 1, 2, 3 are just doodles, done in less
than a minute, or so it seems. Wait, what if pixelblink is really a
n00b and made it in, like one hour?O_o Now I have an
existencialist question. But anyways, 1, 2, and 3 is not pixelart.
|
|
![]() |
|
Monkey 'o Doom
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2994 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I would take 4, 5, and 6 also, but I would suggest improvement for 4 and 6, as the hair looks odd, and number 4 has a hard-to-describe problem with the blocks of color. I would accept 2 if it was more round, had a clean outline, a fill color, and some AA. |
|
![]() |
|
Monsoon2D
Seaman ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 September 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Originally posted by Dra_chan Wait, what if pixelblink is really a n00b and made it in, like one hour? Then it's a practice piece; that doesn't make it submit-worthy, per say. (Not sure if that question was meant to be taken literally or jokingly.) 6 is the only one that I see as a submittable piece. 4 is borderline. It looks complete, but not fine-tuned. 5 is okay, but it gives us the sense that it's a WIP. The artist shows us that s/he knows how to anti-alias, meaning that s/he's studied. (A definate plus.) I'd let 5 slide if the artist stated that it was, in fact, a WIP and that s/he will be adding hair or what have you. Otherwise, I'd say "no go". I'm a hard-ass. Edited by Monsoon2D |
|
![]() |
|
Dra_chan
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 628 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Originally posted by Monsoon2D Originally posted by Dra_chan Wait, what if pixelblink is really a n00b and made it in, like one hour? Then it's a practice piece; that doesn't make it submit-worthy, per say. (Not sure if that question was meant to be taken literally or jokingly.) 6 is the only one that I see as a submittable piece. 4 is borderline. It looks complete, but not fine-tuned. 5 is okay, but it gives us the sense that it's a WIP. The artist shows us that s/he knows how to anti-alias, meaning that s/he's studied. (A definate plus.) I'd let 5 slide if the artist stated that it was, in fact, a WIP and that s/he will be adding hair or what have you. Otherwise, I'd say "no go". I'm a hard-ass. I was joking, hehe, of course pixelblink is not a n00b, and I also don't go calling people n00b seriously. Anyways, you are right in the previous study thing. And people ask for critisism to achieve greatness in the holy arts of pixels. It is just hard for new artist to keep up with the more seasoned ones. The WIP board is meant for help, it's up to the admins to decide if the piece is worthy of being in the gallery, taking into account the standars in which the piece's creator is. I said a lot and said nothing at all lol |
|
![]() |
|
pixelblink
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 February 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2865 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
okay guys... you've done good so far. Here's the answers from my perspective:
Anyways, these are just SOME of the issues we come across while trying to judge an image for approval. Okay, another role playing thingy here. I'm a noob and one of my images was not approved. I freak out on you... "what the f**k?? why did my image not go through while all your gallery is filled with complete sh*t? take this site and shove it up your ass." I continue to submit various half assed images, some of spongebob squarepants in different poses, etc. some pics of your mom... whatever. I also start flaming every conversation I can. How would you diffuse this situation |
|
![]() |
|
jalonso
Admiral ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
So its relative to how long the individual has been part of the PJ
community, their known skill level, previous examples. I will comment
directly on the art work rather than PM because it makes the point by
example to the individual and those who view the artwork too. At times
it calls for harsh, other times nice and gentle. |
|
|
|
![]() |
|
0xDB
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 March 2025 Online Status: Offline Posts: 209 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Originally posted by pixelblink Okay, another role playing thingy here. I'm a noob and one of my images was not approved. I freak out on you... "what the f**k?? why did my image not go through while all your gallery is filled with complete sh*t? take this site and shove it up your ass." I continue to submit various half assed images, some of spongebob squarepants in different poses, etc. some pics of your mom... whatever. I also start flaming every conversation I can. How would you diffuse this situation Put a "post cap" to the misbehaving newbie. That would be a limitation on how many posts per day or week someone is allowed to make in total. This could be lifted again, if an improvement of the subjects behaviour can be seen. I don't know how hard it would be to implement that feature but i think it would be a powerful measure to convert at least some laserbrains into useful members, as it gives them a chance to realize that they are trolling/flaming/spamming and they can use their few allowed posts wisely(if they want to) to show that they are willing to change their inappropriate behaviour. |
|
![]() |
|
inkspot
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 May 2005 Location: Estonia Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, admins should be more strickt and not let the site be ruined. Rules say that if your background is just a plain colour, then it must be transparent, most things are not. Every time I upload something into the gallery, I waste my time by making previews and adding transparency, photosop opening takes time. But pixelblinks last problem has an easy solution -- ban, ip ban if needed. hell I've been banned from forums just because people didn't believe that my pixelart is mine and they didn't believe that such things are completely hand-pixeled. I told them that they are f**king pricks and got my ip banned. Edited by inkspot |
|
![]() |
|
Larwick
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 July 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4015 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hmm, i think if art is disapproved the user should be given a reason for it so they can improve the piece and resubmit it rather than come into the forums and complain. I don't know whether there is already something like this though, cus i've never been disapproved *gloats*. |
|
![]() |
|
Brian the Great
Commander ![]() ![]() RED! Joined: 03 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2221 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Here's what I'd do:
![]() 1: Revise- general quality standards 2: Revise- same 3: Revise- no WIPs 4: Although by far not the best in the gallery, I'll let it slide. In addition, I'll give some C&C if I find the time to do so. 5: In 6: I'd check if the same member made it. Rating every piece in the gallery combined with a steel memory causes me to sport rippings fairly quickly. Edited by Brian the Great |
|
![]() |
|
pixelblink
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 February 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2865 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Good job Brian. You get a gold star! Can you think of any other issue that has come up or might come up that we can address now regarding the approval process? |
|
![]() |
|
Brian the Great
Commander ![]() ![]() RED! Joined: 03 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2221 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I should be admin if I weren't already.
What about offending material? Where lies the thin line between offensive and opinion? Pretty recent subject I reckon. |
|
![]() |
|
Aleiav
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don't think you should draw the line between offensive and opinion. People need to learn to respect other people's opinions, whether they're offensive or not. Censorship is sucky and stupid and it doesn't help anyone grow or learn anything.
![]() |
|
![]() |
|
Shark
Commander ![]() ![]() a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
1, f**k right off
2, better than 3 but seems about 50% away from submission standard 3, same as number 1 4, please see the wip section of the forum for a few touch ups. 5, i like this one i think its the best 6, it would appear that you have accidentally put some amazing hair on a crap piece...(had you worried there).. lol not 6 this would be more like the normal shark: KILL youself you dont deserve to use computers ![]() adding sh*t hair onto it. you totally ruined a great piece. i hope you didnt base that hair off you own cos u must look like a retard. go hang yourself and your sh*tty ms paint editing skillz! w**ker! hehe shark for admin! |
|
Snark, we love yuu.
|
|
![]() |
|
inkspot
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 May 2005 Location: Estonia Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
But no. 5 is missing transparency... Not approvable. So that only leaves no 6 and no 4 in special circumstances.
|
|
![]() |
|
![]() |
|
Souly
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 December 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2451 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Except the fact that 6 is obviously a rip and wouldn't be accepted.
If part of the piece doesn't show the same quality as the rest of it assume it's an edit of an original piece. |
|
![]() |
|
PixelSnader
Commander ![]() ![]() Not a troll! Joined: 05 June 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3194 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
i would approve 4 and 5, even though 4 isnt technically of great quality and 5 hasnt got transparency. there's a ''transparency'' button in the galleries for a reason i think. sometimes a certain sprite just works better on a certain background. as for the RP. i think i would start by telling him to calm down and whý his art wasnt accepted (eg. art standard, or rip etc.) if he were to calm down, ok, if he were to stay heated up after 2-3 warnings, i'd give him a temporary ban( 1-2 weeks) or some other way to not let him post as much. when all that fails i think i'd fall back on a (semi)permanent IPban, for say.. at least half a year. if by then he wouldnt be able to control himself how about oekaki stuff? |
|
▄▄█ ▄▄█ ▄█▄ ▄█▄ |
|
![]() |
|
Brian the Great
Commander ![]() ![]() RED! Joined: 03 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2221 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think oekaki usually is the same as 'general quality standards' or 'no WIPS'.
|
|
![]() |
|
Shark
Commander ![]() ![]() a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I am Pissed off. It may be an exceedingly hot day here in the UK,
which may add to my frustration, but to be honest i am sick of rating stuff with one star in the gallery. It seems like the the 'random unrated pixelart' button could be renamed 'random sh*tty icons' button. I just feel the standards have way dropped. My art may not be the best in the world but at least i put effort into it, and make sure something is totally complete before adding it to my gallery. Pixeljoint is about showcasing our art, yet also helping others to improve. Everyday i see about 20 WIPs added into the gallery, yet how many new topics are started here on the forum everyday? It not just rushed unfinished pieces, its also the 'n00bey' [to be blunt about it] works that took no longer than 10 minutes in MS paint. Yes often we can quite hostile to 'n00bs' here on the forum, however we generally want to increase the size of this small community and help people that we were once improve. When i first came to pixel some of my works were rejected, but i managed to work harder and improve. Nowadays the work i submitted then would have easily made it into the gallery. I am just fed up of rating/viewing rubbish and feel that the moderation standards of art that gets approved needs to be increased drastically. |
|
Snark, we love yuu.
|
|
![]() |
|
Larwick
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 July 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4015 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I agree.
|
|
![]() |
|
Monkey 'o Doom
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2994 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Dittoz.
|
|
![]() |
|
pixelblink
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 February 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2865 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've been sending back loads and loads of stuff that needs revision. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff we send back. Of course, if you believe a piece has been approved in error, feel free to direct the member to utilize the WIP forum as well as informing an admin. |
|
![]() |
|
jalonso
Admiral ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
huh, yes there are some weak submissions but overall the entries have
been great and diverse since last month. I've been impressed by many
pieces... guess you can't always please everyone.
|
|
|
|
![]() |
|
Shark
Commander ![]() ![]() a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Isn't that the moderators job?
On the other hand i did test you today by submitting some purposefully bad work under a different username, and im glad to see it wasnt approved. I still lfeel way too much sh*t gets through though. EDIT: damn fast jalonso. This post was aimed at PB Edited by Shark |
|
Snark, we love yuu.
|
|
![]() |
|
pixelblink
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 February 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2865 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
maybe you should direct your energy towards critiquing the pieces in question rather than not helping at all. Of course, you could always start by not worrying about what other people do and focus on your own art but, since this is a community, why not contribute something constructive to help solve the problem at hand? It's not necessarily a hot day here but, I'm getting sick and tired of certain people flying off the handle on n00bs rather than trying to help them in a positive way. It's become a "shoot first ask questions later" routine in this site when it should be the other way around. |
|
![]() |
|
jalonso
Admiral ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
AMEN
|
|
|
|
![]() |
|
Ensellitis
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 June 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10099 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Sing it on the mountain, baby!
|
|
There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross. |
|
![]() |
|
Shark
Commander ![]() ![]() a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Originally posted by pixelblink
maybe you should direct your energy towards critiquing the pieces in question rather than not helping at all. Of course, you could always start by not worrying about what other people do and focus on your own art but, since this is a community, why not contribute something constructive to help solve the problem at hand? I shouldn't have to critique pieces in the gallery. The point of the gallery is finished works. If more people are directed to the forum i will gladly critique. I also do not have time to crawl through the gallery critising pieces that i doubt will ever get updated. Originally posted by pixelblink
It's not necessarily a hot day here but, I'm getting sick and tired of certain people flying off the handle on n00bs rather than trying to help them in a positive way. It's become a "shoot first ask questions later" routine in this site when it should be the other way around. I'm not 'flying of the handle', i am expressing my opinions, in any case this isn't directed at 'n00bs'. In the past yes i have been known to overeact. 'Certain people' >.> hopefully that is not directed at me, as i have changed my approach to the new folk. EDIT: typos Edited by Shark |
|
Snark, we love yuu.
|
|
![]() |
|
pinsent
Seaman ![]() Joined: 20 June 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ive made a piece i think was pritty good. I know my art isn't the same style as most people on this site, but its pretty good and is better then some stuff i have seen on the published art forums. Am i being discriminated against because my art stlye is diffrent? I would like to use my own art as an avitar at least.
|
|
![]() |
|
pixelblink
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 February 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2865 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
your pieces were very oekaki-ish. Meaning, you didn't take the time to place each pixel piece by piece. Overall quality was lacking, hence the message to visit the forums and place your images in the work in progress section for helpful critiques so you can edit/update your images to be reviewed once again by the admin. 'nuff said Edited by pixelblink |
|
![]() |
|
pinsent
Seaman ![]() Joined: 20 June 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
aight! how do i post a wip on the forum i click the little add pic button but it asks me for a web site that the pic is on ..... Thanks for replying so quickly!
nuff said kida sounded rude though... (not to be a cry babby though lol) |
|
![]() |
|
pinsent
Seaman ![]() Joined: 20 June 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
i just wan't some people to comment on my stuff, on paper im alot better just give me some time
|
|
![]() |
|
Azrael
Seaman ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 May 2006 Location: Indonesia Online Status: Offline Posts: 28 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
you could use that piece for avatar, even it's not approve yet
|
|
If you want it done rite, U gotta do it yourself!
|
|
![]() |
|
pinsent
Seaman ![]() Joined: 20 June 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Originally posted by Azrael you could use that piece for avatar, even it's not approve yet argggg... i go to change my avitar and it only allows me to scrole through a list of published works....... and how do you place a picture in the WIP forum if the add picture link only allows me to link to a website and not post one from my desktop Edited by pinsent |
|
![]() |
|
pixelblink
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 February 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2865 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
you asked this question in the thread you opened up... I answered it 15 minutes ago
|
|
![]() |
|
Schnauzer
Seaman ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 January 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 29 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Why some people can post comments before the pixel art is acepted?
Admins and mods advantage? |
|
![]() |
|
Ensellitis
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 June 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10099 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
anyone can. its called the public queue. goodbye.
|
|
There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross. |
|
![]() |
|
Schnauzer
Seaman ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 January 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 29 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Where is ti? How can I acces to others un-acepted works? |
|
![]() |
|
Ensellitis
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 June 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10099 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
you have to be a level 2 first. look at the ranks faq to see what you need
|
|
There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross. |
|
![]() |
|
VenomousNinja
Seaman ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 September 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 16 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think that PA that would normally get DisApproved should go into a smaller gallery that anyone can view, but a gallery not included on the front page...
|
|
![]() |
|
Larwick
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 July 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4015 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yeah, it's called the forum WIP section.
|
|
![]() |
|
Ensellitis
Commander ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 June 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10099 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
like larwick said... stuff that gets turned down doesnt just include bad pixel art, it also includes non pixel art, rips, and so on. the point of turning stuff down is to keep it from the gallery, if it just gets put into another gallery, then what is the point?
|
|
There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross. |
|
![]() |
|
keithburgun
Midshipman ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 January 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 42 |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
hey can anyone tell me why these "didnt get enough of a score" to pass?
![]() ![]() Maybe for the 2nd one they didnt like that it was pre-blown up and has text on it or something but the first one? |
|
![]() |
|
Page of 2 Next >> |
![]() ![]() |
||
Forum Jump |
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |