Who thinks the admins should be more judgemental and stringent when going through the approval process on the main site? Should we be rejecting more pixels directing more members to the forums for WIP approval? Should we be a bit more lax and let pretty much anything that is pixel art through approval?

Just curious on your guys' thoughts. Please keep this thread clean and post thoughts related directly to my questions and ideas.

I'm not really sure, and I think that is an issue; there's a fine line between a heavily stylized peice, and a total heap of trash, and different people intrepret styles differently, leading to possible misunderstandings. Some pieces that receive great comments in the gallery often get equally degrading comments; take http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/4708.htm?sec=rating - this piece as an example. The problem with setting any real criteria is that they are, by definition, based on personal opinion, and may be unacceptable for some people, while being someone else's firm belief.

*Whoo* long post!

Edit: dang, someone beat me to reply. lol

Okay, some good points are brought up so far.

I have a task for everyone:

Which would you approve and why? Which wouldn't be? What would be your response to the member if they felt you were in the wrong?

Be honest, be brutal... these images are done by me and are intended to be a part of this discussion only. Feel free to rip them apart

I would take 4, 5, and 6 also, but I would suggest improvement for 4 and 6, as the hair looks odd, and number 4 has a hard-to-describe problem with the blocks of color. I would accept 2 if it was more round, had a clean outline, a fill color, and some AA.

okay guys... you've done good so far. Here's the answers from my perspective:

1. hell no... I drew that in 2 seconds
2. 10 seconds here... no
3. 30 seconds... obvious. This is what some of the stuff looks like that is slipping through form time to time though
4. I'd let this one slide. It shows some effort even though it could definitely use some more. I'd let something like this be approved then let the rest of the PJ members attack it if it was merited. Then it could be suggested it go to the WIP section of the forums.
5. Not by me. The number one thing would be becuase there's no transparent background. Couldn't care less about the rest (though I did spend a good 10 minutes or more on this one)
6. Nope! This was hypothetically submitted by someone else (trick question). "They" took my image and added some hair. Dirty bastards... none of you could tell the difference between the hair and the rest?

Anyways, these are just SOME of the issues we come across while trying to judge an image for approval.

Okay, another role playing thingy here. I'm a noob and one of my images was not approved. I freak out on you... "what the f**k?? why did my image not go through while all your gallery is filled with complete sh*t? take this site and shove it up your ass." I continue to submit various half assed images, some of spongebob squarepants in different poses, etc. some pics of your mom... whatever. I also start flaming every conversation I can. How would you diffuse this situation

Perfect example:
1- Not accepted under any circumstance.
2- Could be accepted if its known to be created by someone under 12yo who states in their description that their desire is to learn pixelart and wishes to get involved. With this scenario I would encourage and even teach a trick ot two.
3- This one is tougher but still acceptable as a first or second submission, however if 10 submissions later the same skill level is present then a flag should be raised somehow.
4- Although horrible its acceptable. I don't like its style, coloring and overall dinkyness but it is pixelart, just not my cup of tea. This person could easily improve and encouragement will help.
5- Is NOT acceptable because this level of pixel skills tells me the artist is being lazy and a complete a-hole who did'nt even bother to remove the background, offer a palette or anything that contributes in any way, ie. funny, clever, smart, though-proviking, and assumes that because their skills are solid any kind of crap/doodle is something to be sent straight into the hall of fame  This is the worst kind of offense I find at PJ. It drives me nuts to no ends.
6- This is for the WIP thread and NOT acceptable to the main site. This is obviously a technically skilled individual who may have just started with hair details and perhaps color theory or effects and would benefit from help before accepted in the main site where you would probably find this type of decription, "This is so and so, I know the hair sucks and the colors are weird, and I wasn't in the mood to make transparent but hey I'm bored at school so I thought I would post it since I haven't posted in like 6 days. hehe , c+c welcome."

So its relative to how long the individual has been part of the PJ community, their known skill level, previous examples. I will comment directly on the art work rather than PM because it makes the point by example to the individual and those who view the artwork too. At times it calls for harsh, other times nice and gentle.

Yes, admins should be more strickt and not let the site be ruined. Rules say that if your background is just a plain colour, then it must be transparent, most things are not.

Every time I upload something into the gallery, I waste my time by making previews and adding transparency, photosop opening takes time.

But pixelblinks last problem has an easy solution -- ban, ip ban if needed. hell I've been banned from forums just because people didn't believe that my pixelart is mine and they didn't believe that such things are completely hand-pixeled. I told them that they are f**king pricks and got my ip banned.

Hmm, i think if art is disapproved the user should be given a reason for it so they can improve the piece and resubmit it rather than come into the forums and complain. I don't know whether there is already something like this though, cus i've never been disapproved *gloats*.

Good job Brian. You get a gold star!

Can you think of any other issue that has come up or might come up that we can address now regarding the approval process?

i would approve 4 and 5, even though 4 isnt technically of great quality and 5 hasnt got transparency. there's a ''transparency'' button in the galleries for a reason i think. sometimes a certain sprite just works better on a certain background.

as for the RP. i think i would start by telling him to calm down and whý his art wasnt accepted (eg. art standard, or rip etc.) if he were to calm down, ok, if he were to stay heated up after 2-3 warnings, i'd give him a temporary ban( 1-2 weeks) or some other way to not let him post as much. when all that fails i think i'd fall back on  a (semi)permanent IPban, for say.. at least half a year. if by then he wouldnt be able to control himself

how about oekaki stuff?

I've been sending back loads and loads of stuff that needs revision.

You wouldn't believe some of the stuff we send back.

Of course, if you believe a piece has been approved in error, feel free to direct the member to utilize the WIP forum as well as informing an admin.

maybe you should direct your energy towards critiquing the pieces in question rather than not helping at all. Of course, you could always start by not worrying about what other people do and focus on your own art but, since this is a community, why not contribute something constructive to help solve the problem at hand?

It's not necessarily a hot day here but, I'm getting sick and tired of certain people flying off the handle on n00bs rather than trying to help them in a positive way. It's become a "shoot first ask questions later" routine in this site when it should be the other way around.

your pieces were very oekaki-ish. Meaning, you didn't take the time to place each pixel piece by piece. Overall quality was lacking, hence the message to visit the forums and place your images in the work in progress section for helpful critiques so you can edit/update your images to be reviewed once again by the admin.

'nuff said

Where is ti?

Do you think his is accept worthy?