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Quote Larwick Replybullet Topic: Brass
    Posted: 14 April 2006 at 2:52pm

I've always been interested in manga and all that, and have piles of sketches, drawings and failed attempts and digitally colouring them about my bedroom. I stumbled upon an old box and found some drawings of a character i had created years ago. Most of them were pretty shabby, but some were quite cool. So yeah, i felt like a change, so i thought about pixelling her. Her name is 'Brass' for some reason, i think because she was the rival of some other character called Silver.. or something. Anyway, enough of my life story, here's the pixel art:



Just sorting out the shadows. I'm not sure how much of her i shall do, probably just this profile image for the moment though. I could do my first actual scene, with a background (probably in a smokey bar, she looks like she's leaning on the counter, huh?) She did have some random face paint on some pics so i thought i'd evolve it into my current insignia for signature's sake.

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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2006 at 3:01pm
wow i like it! don't know about the hair, but the face looks great, so hurry up and update!
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2006 at 3:49pm

Yeah i might change the hair at a later stage. Also, the shoulders, neck and hand are bothering me, but i'm sure i'll get onto fixing them soon.

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Quote ChromeX Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2006 at 3:49pm
Yeah, it's nice... I'd like to see how it would look when colored. Also, the eyebrow goes over the hair... is that how it was supposed to be made?

(This was written before the above post was posted... lol)


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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2006 at 4:13pm

Cheers, i edited the eyebrow slightly. And here it is with a rough pallette: (I got it wrong, theres 15 colours at the moment...)

I think i should sort out her neck... what do you think? Does it look ok? Aaaaah!



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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2006 at 4:34pm
Both the tattoo and the eyelashes seem to make it look weird. The lip shade is too similar to the skin shade. Try looking in a mirror or something. I love the hair and general face shape though.

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2006 at 5:46pm
I think the "logo" tattoo looks vain and self indulgent. I would make her ponytail (or something else) the shape of the logo so that its there in a clever "er" way.
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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2006 at 6:05pm
or just embroidery on the clothes

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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 3:24am

You mean i'm vain and self indulgent or the character is? Cus we both kindof are... Lol, that's an interesting idea jalonso, i hadn't thought of that. Although the character before had a circle on her cheek, you think that would look ok? Or i could just leave it bare i suppose, it's a tad boring though ^_^

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In the most detailed drawing she's wearing this jacket, i'd show you if i could (my scanner's broken) but yeah, i have to add a load of detail to it, and its gunna be hard (but FUN). I know her head is quite large, i'll just say it's a style (well, it is really).



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Quote fil_razorback Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 6:25am
Can I have a rendez-vous with her? :D
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Quote alkaline Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 7:10am
Big head mode!

I think her neck color is a bit too green, but other than that it's coming out okay.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 8:00am

Argh, my mate always turned that on when we used to play goldeneye, sooo annoying!

There's something wrong with her finger i cant quite pinpoint..

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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 9:05am
the light source on the hair seems to be from the top, but on the
jacket it seems to come from the left.

great start, its cool to see how other artists work.
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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 9:08am
her fingers are not connected properly,there should be more connected at the base of the hand. She's kinda of umm cute....I think I'm in love with a fictional character.....I LIKE BRUNETTS.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 9:23am
Very nice, I like the ponytail "logo" this way better. As for the
lightsource I would experiment with several, in diff colors to add
drama/movement to her situtation. I have no doubt this will turn out
great since you always manage to in the end.
ps. By vanity I meant you not her. Sometimes you sign in a
distracting manner that takes away from the piece (the cave, for
example).
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 12:59pm

Cheers guys. I forgot to add the upper lightsource to the shoulders etc, silly me.

Also, i took away the kink in the shadow on her face, i thought it made her look weird. Might have to check out more reference to get it right.

Update:

 Didn't do much this time.



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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 5:33pm
the ponytail that wraps round looks like part of the jacket collar. it
looks to solid aswell not like hair. is your aim to get every male and
or lesbians on this site to fall in love with your character?
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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 5:52pm

i dont think you should make her lips pink.. either define them more or get rid of the pink altogether - it looks kinda smeared right now, i think getting rid of the pink would make it cleaner/more manga-like..but thats just me..

and yeah, she's pretty hot

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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 6:02pm

Lol yeah, i'll mess up the hair a little more in that area, thanks for pointing it out Shark.

And leel, you're probably right, now that i look back i think i preffered her without the pink. The reason i didnt make it more clear was because she sort of looked like a whore then. Eheh.

And cheers for the compliments, i'm sure if she was real she'd be flattered. But she isn't so... PWNED! er..

I think i've finished the updating for today, i'll continue tomorow though.

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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 6:04pm
What's the little red thing?

RPG is numberwang.
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Quote Bryan24 Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 6:18pm
The little red thing is the liquid in the glass Idiot!
Revive the bannana thread,
and keep the pomegrantate thread!
P.S.The bannana thread is supposed to not make sense.
P.S.S.or dollars
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 6:30pm
I have just noticed quite a few anatomical problems (apart from the large head, i mean). They will be fixed in the next update (hopefully).
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 7:00pm
Oh! I never noticed the glass! I feel so stupid now!

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 7:04pm
Well the glass is sitting akwardly in the hand and without some diff coloration it does blend in. Maybe the base of the glass should show a little.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 7:04pm

Yes! I will have to tint it latar.

And woah, 'snap' - jalonso with the post. I agree it would be best to have it show, being a short glass rather than having it concealed and leaving to the imagination that the stand for it is very small.



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Quote Bifur Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 7:24pm
I think the glass if fine , but some highlight would make it more consistent,

the haird is awesome ( even tho it has  a different highligt i dont know if it was intentional


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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2006 at 8:39pm

Her fingers are either too long or they sepearte at the base of the hand too soon.

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Quote inkspot Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 3:29am
Gass is lacking material, tint it and shade it properly.
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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 8:27am

-i think the left arm's shading makes it appear to much as separate balls, rather -then one arm.
-as far as i know the glass shouldnt bend the light of the sleeve's end that much
-this will pprobably be really hard to fix if you are going to, but she doesn't seem to hold the glass, she seems to hold something much lighter and brittler
-the fingers are too long. about 20-25% i think


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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 8:29am

Yarr i think i'm going to redo the hand and glass, i messed up too much in the lineart.

Cheers peeps.

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2006 at 9:35pm
I love the skin colors. :) Excellent work. :)
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:55pm

Ooh cheers Aleiav, although i sort of changed them when i edited the pallette... do you think i should change the skin colour back? Or any of them in fact?

I thought i'd post it now because i wanted to know what you guys thought of the hand and mug aswel. Thanks for your time, in advance.

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Quote Bifur Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2006 at 2:55pm
ffingers are still bit long aren they? and the space between the 90°angle finger (yeah i dont remember the name) and the other fingers are a tad bigger then normal

at least i think , as everbody know im no genius in anatomy


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Quote Setzer Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2006 at 4:52pm
thumb you mean? the hand does seem long, it's coming lovely :)
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2006 at 4:56pm
Oh yes, i see now. I pushed the hand forward forgetting about the thumb. Thanks alot for pointing it out guys.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2006 at 5:03pm
The hand looks weird, almost masculine. Maybe a ref photo is needed. The colors are awesome. Perhaps your *wick* logo could be an earring? 
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 22 April 2006 at 2:23am
Lol, i used a ref photo... it was my own hand >.< so yeah, i'll need to search google or something. I really rushed that hand sketch though, i'll update soon. And the earring idea sounds good, although im not so sure, i'll give it a go and see.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2006 at 6:07am
 Hmm... meh. I want to get this finished.
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Quote fil_razorback Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2006 at 7:44am
So cuuuuuuute ^^

Awesome, as usual :)
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Quote alkaline Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2006 at 7:50am
Thumb looks sorta detached from the hand. And I think one shade darker on the pupil would help?

uhhhhhhh and teh bottom outline on the glass is too dark from heavy AA probably. Keep it up dawg!
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2006 at 5:55pm
still love the skin colors. :)

I agree with what alk said about the thumb. I think it would be cool to make her glass all shiny gold! :P
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Quote Skull Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2006 at 4:27am
I think it's wonderful work. It's got a great style.
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Quote PixelInk Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2006 at 10:03am
Its pieces like this that make me come back to PixelJoint, I love the tones, the individual shapes and the progression of the edge lines that consistently suit the depth at every stage.
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Quote Morgan Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2006 at 2:47pm
This is really lovely. My only critique would be the shading on the hair... the lightest part seems to get wider as you go from the side to the top of the head, and it seems to that it would do the opposite.
 
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Quote Tremulant Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2006 at 4:44pm
This is a fantastic piece, Lar. The thumb detachedness thing is all that bother me at this point. Lovely, lovely.
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Quote iSTVAN Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2006 at 6:45pm
Her pose looks pretty awkward to me. For someone with such a despondent expression you'd think she'd choose a less strainful way to sit.
 
I think the problem begins with the far shoulder- or lack of far shoulder! By pushing the shoulder out you'd correct both this awkwardness and her oversized head. It'd also mean you wouldn't have to worry about all those annoying jaggies on her (HER) right arm.
 
You've got the skills to make this look really ace, and, in my opinion, your brilliant colouring has shone light on an otherwise dull piece of line art.


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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 25 July 2006 at 11:27am
Osht. With a darkening of the pupils (thanks alk) and a lowering of the mouth i hath created...

A much more pouty one and yet a character with much more personality. Huzzah. I also think it's more anatomically correct.

I also had a go at bringing the shoulder in a little, which does look better (thanks iST) and fixed the thumb a little (thanks everyone) and cleaned up a few more n00by lines (still more to go).

Ive also used an orange from the gold colour to highlight the hair a tad more. The current hair highlights were very drafty so i'll deff have to fix them (thanks Morgan).

Still lots more to do though. Cheers to everyone for your comments!
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Quote iSTVAN Replybullet Posted: 25 July 2006 at 4:32pm
Nice update, but keep on pushing that shoulder out, and make sure to bring the breast with it! Alternatively you could bring the closer shoulder down a bit, either way, I still think there are some perspective issuses. I'd recommend photographing someone in the position and compare it to your work. If I have time I'll have a go at taking a photo for you.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 25 July 2006 at 4:37pm
Cheers iSTVAN. A photo would be great, if you can, because i can't due to technical difficulties, and i couldnt find a good enough reference on googell.

I did bring out her 'chest' a little, although it was pretty much guesswork. I'll keep on fiddling with her shoulders and see what i can do. I agree i really should have worked on the lineart a bit more before i started colouring, seems i was a bit hasty (everyday i keep noticing how wrong the neck seems).

But yeah, i shall keep at it. Wh00t.

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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 25 July 2006 at 6:29pm
FINISH!
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