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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Topic: mushroom house
    Posted: 10 May 2006 at 2:27am
Hi, this is my 2nd pixelart ever and not finished yet, but I hope with your help and opinions I can finish it. Please be kind :)

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Quote 0xDB Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2006 at 4:37am
Well antialias the thing and fix jaggies and don't make all the outlines that dark. A background would also be nice.
On the top, I'd put another even lighter highlight into the already existing one and maybe attempt to put a real texture to the lower side of the hat instead of just using regular dithering there.(somthing like this but I guess that depends on the type of mushroom, some shrooms have different, smooth textures)
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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2006 at 5:03am
thx, I dont want to antialias it. I will try to fix highlights, bg can wait :) and lower side is realy bad :)
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2006 at 11:15am
All i'd like to say is that the dithering doesnt look too good. How about a texture like the underneath of a mushroom?
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2006 at 11:59am
stanloshka please don't post a WIP, get advice, then not take any of it and post on the gallery the next day and write in the description "I see some mistakes and imperfections. So please be kind" anymore.
And if you must then come back and CLOSE the WIP not forgetting to thank those that offered advice for their time even if you did ignore all of it.
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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2006 at 12:36pm
you add a new meaning to the word RETARD

you also put the 'W' in Anchor Man!
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2006 at 12:54pm

Hehee @Shark.

Hmm yeah i didnt actually read anything to realise that. Whoops.

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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2006 at 1:19pm
im not sure if I understand you
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2006 at 2:15pm

Yeah dw, that post was made while i was eating a magnum. Sugar high to brain = HEHEHEBLAHBALLS!

So yeah, i would delete it but hey. 

On a more serious note; stanloshka, please take the critisism into account. I believe it would greatly improve your piece.

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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2006 at 2:17pm
the outline is in serious need of smoothing and aa. you shood
remove the bg aswell.
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Quote Boder Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2006 at 4:14pm
The green background is a little strong for me. I would work on cleaning up the lines too.
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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 12:22am

I make some upgrades :)
maybe I shoud add some shadows under needles.
What do you think about texture on the lower side of cap?
Do you realy think to antialias the outlines?
I wanted to make this mushroom non-antialias, but if you think will be better I will fix it.
thx for comments :)
And excuse me for posting it to gallery, I think I cant remove it now :( Later I will be careful :)
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Quote 0xDB Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 2:23am
I just commented on the unfinished piece you submitted to the gallery.

Now for your update:
You can update the piece in the gallery as well or even delete it and resubmit, but you should finish the thing before resubmitting.

I really do think (well I don't just "think", I KNOW) that it would look better if it was aa'ed. If you don't want to aa the outer outlines, because it is meant for a transparent background then that's ok, but if you're not working with a color limit (which you obviously aren't) then you should aa at least to the inner outlines, but not restrict aa to outlines also the shading will benefit from aa.

And a few words about your textures:
Did you just apply some uniform noise filter to the whole piece?
(the unusual unclean-ness and the high color count imply that)
It doesn't look very appealing that way and also it would not be pixel art then. Clean it up and try again.
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Quote Setzer Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 2:54am
I count 256 colors. Either you have way too much time on your hands or your'e using tools. tools != pixelart.

crits on the piece: less random pixels. they do nothing for the piece.
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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 3:13am


Im satisfied with this so lets do another one. thanx for comments
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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 3:20am
I wanna tell this, not much works I have seen there, are real pixelart. Pixel art is work pixel by pixel and I see there too much works which are not made by pixel. Dont be angry I want to create PA with tools which help me. Why dont use tool if it will looks SAME as done by pixelbypixel?
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Quote Blueberry_pie Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 3:27am
Originally posted by stanloshka

I wanna tell this, not much works I have seen there, are real pixelart. Pixel art is work pixel by pixel and I see there too much works which are not made by pixel.

Care to share?

Originally posted by stanloshka

Dont be angry I want to create PA with tools which help me. Why dont use tool if it will looks SAME as done by pixelbypixel?

Using tools totally ruins the point of pixel art. Part of the challen-
You know what, these kinds of discussions have been going on here for way too long. I'll leave this to someone else.
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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 3:33am
I know it but you critique me too much im begin im beginner in pixelart
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Quote Saxamaphone Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 3:45am
All I can say to you, is that is better than your first attempt, so be happy with that.
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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 4:51am
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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 9:13am
YOU could easily make this by hand without tools. dude just practise
and block in your main colours and then work around it adding
texture and smoothing out the sahding. obviously you must only you
the pencil tool and paint bucket.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 1:08pm

Originally posted by stanloshka

I know it but you critique me too much im begin im beginner in pixelart

And you'll only improve if you take the critique into account and try your best.

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Quote MurrMan Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 1:10pm
i think you should look at the underside of a mushroom, you will see that it is all stringy and stuff. go find un reference
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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 1:17pm
murrman: this is boletus, cep, so its not stringy, but thanx for replay.

I will try do better work :)






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Quote alkaline Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 2:01pm
you may find intense critique jarring and tedious at first, but you will soon learn that staying in your own little bubble of thinking will be less as effective as taking advice from someone that looked at it differently than you did. so...yeah. we were/are all beginners at one point :D
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Quote Setzer Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by stanloshka

I wanna tell this, not much works I have seen there, are real pixelart. Pixel art is work pixel by pixel and I see there too much works which are not made by pixel. Dont be angry I want to create PA with tools which help me. Why dont use tool if it will looks SAME as done by pixelbypixel?


because it won't look the same as if it were done pixel by pixel. no matter how new you are you have to realise that using tools instantly makes something not pixel art.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 2:05pm


Whoop.
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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2006 at 2:15pm
omg did yoo pixelizt taht?

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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 1:35am
snader, something like that but I didnt want to creat real mushroom but stylized one. And all of you youre right, now I started create robot and Im going to use only basic tools ok? I hope you will support me
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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 1:37am
even one question, Do you AA pixel by pixel?
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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 2:14am
yes. everything is pixel by pixel in pixelart

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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 2:47am
oh sh*t it will takes realy muuuuuch time for example some city or something biger.
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Quote Saiklor Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 5:20am
you think that AAing a wee little mushroom takes too much time?
I say "ha"
that's right, HA

AAed by hand


By hand


By hand


get the idea? your mushroom is NOT A LOT OF WORK TO AA
it might be hard for you NOW because you're LEARNING. But everything is hard at first, you have to work through it. I can now AA really fast because I practised and I learned. Complaining that you're being critiqued too hard results in nothing useful. Pats on the head and "wow that's amazing, omg!!!" will get you NOWHERE because they don't push you to learn and grow!

What separates pixel art from other digital artforms is the use of very basic tools. It's like sculpting by hand vs. using powered machinery. Nobody really minds that a lot of sculptors today use powered machinery, and in the end it may look the same, but pixel art has a long standing tradition of being simple and we celebrate that fact. There are loads of places you can go to celebrate other forms of digital art that embrace the more complicated tools, this isn't one of them.
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Quote Setzer Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 6:36am
Originally posted by Saiklor

get the idea? your mushroom is NOT A LOT OF WORK TO AA
it might be hard for you NOW because you're LEARNING. But everything is hard at first, you have to work through it. I can now AA really fast because I practised and I learned. Complaining that you're being critiqued too hard results in nothing useful. Pats on the head and "wow that's amazing, omg!!!" will get you NOWHERE because they don't push you to learn and grow!


I just love it when people agree with me on that.
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Quote Blick Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 8:18am
If you didn't talk about how hard it was or make excuses to ignore what we're saying and just try instead, this piece could've been finished a long time ago.
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Quote stanloshka Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2006 at 8:42am
oh my god
eh I dont know what to say
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