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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Topic: Scrublord makes a game
    Posted: 18 May 2016 at 5:49am
As the title might imply, I've been working on a game for the last while or so, and I'm getting to the point where I've got to start taking the art assets half seriously.

So far I feel as if I'm doing a few things wrong, but I have no idea what they are and why, so criticism/pointers would be greatly appreciated.


Right now all I have to show for it is a lousy idle sprite and a mockup for a stage background/theme.

Idle sprite:






Stage mockup:

Not overly keen on the clouds and skyline myself. Can't quite put my finger on it as to why.
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Quote dpixel Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2016 at 6:24am
Your water looks fantastic. 
The rock tiles look a bit busy and the shading I would think would look more like this:
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2016 at 7:02am
That... Does look better actually. Not to mention some simplification to that particular tile would save a lot of time when it comes to making all the variations. I'll have a play around with that.


What about the rocks in the background though?
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Quote dpixel Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2016 at 7:09am
Originally posted by PrototypeTheta


What about the rocks in the background though?


Yeah.  Same deal.  Your light is coming from the rear.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2016 at 7:26am
One quick conversion later.



Yeah, ok, this makes a hell of a difference.


EDIT: Changed the shading on the background rocks, and copied and flipped the YOLT volcano hanger thing to the other side to see how it looks. Might have to make up something else to replace the one on the right.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2016 at 1:39pm
Throw a few variations of the rock tile into the mix and replaced the second volcano with something else
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Quote CuriousBeefJerky Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2016 at 5:19pm
Your clouds look too solid in my opinion. Not really sure how you'd make it look less solid though.. Might have some lines coming off the clouds making it look more "wispy."
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2016 at 5:43pm
Not sure about making it wispy, but I can try stretching them out and shade them differently might lessen the effect, or at least provide a better alternative to before.

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Quote eishiya Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2016 at 7:45pm
I think the issue with the clouds is they appear lit from front-above even though the sun is behind and below them. They're also entirely unaffected by the sunset/sunrise colouring of the rest of the sky.

That super-dark bit in front of the sun looks too dark. The sun, even at sunset/sunrise is very bright, so its light should "spill" into the forms of things in front of it, making them lighter everywhere where they overlap the sun (which is the entirety of that thing). Example. If there is parallax going on and you can't do that, then an easy semi-solution is to have atmospheric perspective, that is, to make the far-away parts be less contrasted and closer in hue to the sky-colour near the horizon.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2016 at 5:25am
Changed the lighting/colours on the clouds, probably still needs work.

Brightened up the central oil rig as well.

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Quote buffoftheclown Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2016 at 5:48am
Can you have the water from the drain continue over the rock bellow it and keep flowing down? Looks like slime instead of water? If it is supposed to be slime, my apologies.
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Quote NancyGold Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2016 at 12:36pm
The character is so gray and boring that even Awesome Possum will kick his sad ass. I love the sea thought, but the Sun's reflection on the water should be bigger and different. Look up references.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2016 at 1:41pm
Originally posted by snv

The character is so gray and boring that even Awesome Possum will kick his sad ass. I love the sea thought, but the Sun's reflection on the water should be bigger and different. Look up references.


One quick punt later:



Feels more accurate, probably should have looked up visual references in the first place but hey ho.

As for the character, I'm pretty stuck as to what to do with it to be honest. It's probably the oldest part of the project so I've grandfathered it more than I should have.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2016 at 5:04pm
Made some changes to the character sprite, though I'm not sure if this is doing anything or I'm just polishing a turd at this point.

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Quote NancyGold Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2016 at 9:26pm
It is good enough for a free flash game. I've seen worse in steam games. Yet people can still read it as "this a megaman clone, but more boring".

Anyway, designing a great character is a black magic and there are numerous articles on it. You have to pick target auditory. People generally like chars like Crash Bandicoot, Shantae and Earthworm Jim; but then again, these games had great gameplay, and could had made even boring characters seemingly great. Some people would find Mario annoying. TLDR: it is all subjective

Originally posted by PrototypeTheta

Made some changes to the character sprite, though I'm not sure if this is doing anything or I'm just polishing a turd at this point.

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Quote DieMango Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2016 at 2:45am
The ,,Buildings'' look kinda wierd this kinda setting because they seem to have no shadows...

The charcter isnt super bad...just very plain ATM...maybe add shulder armor and tweak head and chest a little? ATM this is a Can-robot wich means he is built out of cylinders and there are just stripes to make him fancy (and that just works by cars)

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Quote matt0 Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2016 at 4:08am
I'm enjoying watching this take shape!

One thing I'd suggest would be to tidy up the bands of colour in the sky - try making them symmetrical on either side of the sun.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2016 at 8:44am
Originally posted by DieMango

there are just stripes to make him fancy (and that just works by cars)


But stripes make everything faster!

In all seriousness though, I think I'm going to have to leave this part alone until I'm out of exams and have the time to really sit down and go through it properly. Every change I've made so far has been in 5-10 minute breaks between work.


As for the buildings, do you mean they aren't casting a shadow or that there is no shadow on the building itself? If the latter I have been trying to address that:



Pretty happy with the oil rig on the left. Not so much with the box on the right (could probably turn it into a cylinder and call it a storage tank, then I could probably find a reason to blow it up from within the level).



Originally posted by matt0

I'm enjoying watching this take shape!

One thing I'd suggest would be to tidy up the bands of colour in the sky - try making them symmetrical on either side of the sun.


With regards to the asymmetry, there is some method to my madness. The idea was to plonk a big landmass over on the left hand side, which would create such a distortion (perhaps not this dramatic though). That said, I've been a right muppet and stuck the landmass over on the left hand side, completely negating the entire point. I think I'd like to re-draw it completely, try and add in some sea fog or pollution around the oil rigs.
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Quote dpixel Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2016 at 11:24am
How about a bugman?  I was messing around how to shade this from the rear and went overboard.  Maybe it can give you some ideas.
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Quote DieMango Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2016 at 12:41pm
Da left one looks better now indeed...but i think i know whats bothering me:

They have that very weird outline. The Entire thing just looks out of place because the antenne looks normal but the building has that wierd outline (sorry when i cant state my point...me bad english do)
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Quote NancyGold Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2016 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by DieMango

Da left one looks better now indeed...but i think i know whats bothering me:

They have that very weird outline. The Entire thing just looks out of place because the antenne looks normal but the building has that wierd outline (sorry when i cant state my point...me bad english do)


The background/parallax items should have less contrast to avoid distracting player into thinking that they are interactive. There are also atmospheric fog effects. desaturating far objects.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2016 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by dpixel

How about a bugman?  I was messing around how to shade this from the rear and went overboard.  Maybe it can give you some ideas.


No thanks, I've got enough of those in the programming.


Jokes aside I've always been pretty dead set on using a mechanical protagonist (it's a little easier to justify why your character is spamming missiles Macross style out of it's backside when it's a machine, at least without playing the rule of cool that is). But that said, I am in need of a decent range of weird and wonderful aliens to fill the world with, and a bugger-like (or formic-like if you've only seen the film) race are definitely on the to-do list.


Originally posted by DieMango


They have that very weird outline. The Entire thing just looks out of place because the antenne looks normal but the building has that wierd outline (sorry when i cant state my point...me bad english do)


I think I understand what you're getting at, the shading should continue all the way around and not be suddenly cut off by said outline. At least that's the theory with the cylinder, with the box it could be interpreted as part of the structure, but I'm not keeping it that shape so that's irrelevant here anyway.

I've had a go at removing this outline (left structure only, still haven't decided what's going to happen to the right) and had a somewhat hamfisted go at reducing the contrast of the background objects.

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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2016 at 5:07pm
Decided to get some practise drawing humanoids. Ended up with this rather basic enemy soldier.



Not keen on the right (or rear) leg. Or the gun.
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Quote NancyGold Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2016 at 7:58pm
Originally posted by PrototypeTheta

Decided to get some practise drawing humanoids. Ended up with this rather basic enemy soldier.



Not keen on the right (or rear) leg. Or the gun.


Make a half-naked female cyborg with large boobs and ass, maybe with a few megaman/samus references. Instant selling point for your game.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2016 at 4:43pm
Having another crack at this, keeping a few pointers from dPixel's interpretation in mind here.



Certainly feels better as a whole, though the pauldrons don't feel right to me, and while I'd like the legs longer, I don't have much problem sticking with this.
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Quote Damian Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2016 at 9:04am
Hey man, made a quick edit.

I probably should of paid more attention to your profile picture though, but it will still hopefully be useful to you.

A few things to think about maybe. What materials are you using? Smooth Metals tend to have a high contrast between its brightest and darkest colours, but the red paint or any decals while also a smooth shiny surface might have slightly less contrast. Thats a simple example in relation to what you've made, but thinking about these materials can go a long way in helping to render properly. Google images is your friend, go look for a reference when in doubt.

Think more about light. Light theory is tough to get your head around, I struggle with it a lot myself. And here I notice about 3 different light sources, which can be visually confusing. Setting a single light source and adhering to it will go a long way in making all your characters look consistent. I made a start to this as you can see, with a light source above and slightly to the right. Shadows are important to, like under the chin, armpits etc

There are other things I touched on in the edit, such as a more natural pose/stance, making sense of how different parts of the body attach to each other in a way that makes sense. But I have mentioned them, so might be worth taking some time to think about it.
Hope all my rambling makes some sense.
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Quote NancyGold Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2016 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by Damian

Metals tend to have a high contrast

The problem we don't know what material the robot is made of.

Real world autonomous robots usually made of some lightweight yet strong material, like polycarbonates. Heavy robot movement will also quickly deplete the energy source. Although energy shortage could be a justification for some unusual gameplay mechanics, like where player has to continuously hunt for energy cells instead of mario coins, and taking damage just removes large chunks for energy due to energy shield.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 28 May 2016 at 11:47am
Originally posted by snv

Originally posted by Damian

Metals tend to have a high contrast

The problem we don't know what material the robot is made of.

Real world autonomous robots usually made of some lightweight yet strong material, like polycarbonates. Heavy robot movement will also quickly deplete the energy source. Although energy shortage could be a justification for some unusual gameplay mechanics, like where player has to continuously hunt for energy cells instead of mario coins, and taking damage just removes large chunks for energy due to energy shield.


I had envisioned it as being a lightweight ceramic armour (slight oxymoron there, but this is set in the far future so there's some leeway), with the dark black sections being some kind of flexible rubber. The problem with this is it's probably going to be painted over anyway. My immediate thoughts are to use something like this as reference:

http://photos.jibble.org/Vehicles/Tanks/Bovington%20Tank%20Museum/Polish%20built%20T-55%20with%20Iraqi%20armour%20modifications%20IMG_2772.JPG

As for energy, I had planned for an energy shield to be a sort of power up, so that idea could work for that, though I don't think tying it to the player's health is a good idea for what I want to do.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 01 August 2016 at 2:00pm
Well. This isn't dead, just been busy re-writing the thing.


Well first off I've managed a few basic animations, an idle which I still thoroughly dislike and a basic shooting animation.



I understand the gif isn't great quality and is a bit slow so these might be more useful




Gyazo mp4

Some footage from the prototype, just some stuff thrown together so I could figure out the basic gameplay


I've also been trying to re-do the sky from the background I've already shown, done some experiments with dithering but I'm honestly not sure how I feel about it.




And finally I've started thinking about another level, set in a forest by the coast. Trying to figure out how to tree, so I've taken a shot at the bark.

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Quote RebeaLeion Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2016 at 12:16pm
tree is nice.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2017 at 6:43am
Not dead.

Started working on this again about a week ago. Gone and started work on a new background, which may or may not be useful anywhere.




Also refined the character sprite a little more



And started taking animations seriously. Nearly finished a run cycle (just needs hands).

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Quote Hapiel Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2017 at 7:08am
You could improve the run cycle by having a mid air position. Now it looks like he is walking really fast, because his legs remain in contact with the floor
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2017 at 7:15am
There actually is a mid air position, but I can probably do something to exaggerate it a bit more.

(might be worth noting that the gif is running almost twice as fast as it should, you can see the correct timing here)
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 07 May 2017 at 7:06am
Lost the original file I had for my background, having to re-draw most of it so I can parallax it properly.



Certainly feels better than last time but I still can't get the sky right.
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Quote DieMango Replybullet Posted: 07 May 2017 at 7:26am
First of all: Nice sprite bro :D

Second...clouds shoudt be giant cotten pillows of softness...

try to make long and thin clouds and try to make very clear line where the gradiants of the sky end (if you dont know what i mean...then ask if i have a example file)

the most jarring thing tho is the composition of this scene in general...

never put the big thing in the middle and have it as straight as it is right now...dont make to many islands...its a background after all and shoudt distract the viewer.

I am very tired so my english is probabaly terrible atm
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 07 May 2017 at 7:52am
The idea is that all the islands are parallaxed and constantly move as you progress through the level so the composition will always be changing. That said I can try and target certain layouts when I get around to putting this up in engine.

As for the sky and whatnot, this is a terribly hacky edit but is this roughly what you mean?


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Quote DieMango Replybullet Posted: 07 May 2017 at 8:43am
Yeah...look at some refrences for the right amount of fluff...in the clouds
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 09 May 2017 at 3:06pm
Made a few more tweaks to the background and gotten it working inside the engine.


https://gyazo.com/8522e99b220a9210e8a99e40470e140f


Also gone and started work on a death animation


https://gyazo.com/8eb40f9cc55e82f8e0d1659eb8a07afc
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Quote DieMango Replybullet Posted: 09 May 2017 at 11:20pm
You dont need so many frames for the legs blowing of...just 2 frames for a fast animation is enough.

Nice...the background looks prrrrrrrrrrrretty good.
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Quote Poltergeist Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2017 at 7:55pm
I love the death animation
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 16 May 2017 at 4:17pm
Started working on attack animations

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Quote t3nshi Replybullet Posted: 16 May 2017 at 6:28pm
Uh, nice work! I can see the Zero inspiration in there.

I'm worried about the sword effect reach, it looks a bit too narrow. Also it is too outlined and looks solid. You might want to make it without outlines altoghether.
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Quote XLEdwards91 Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2017 at 12:12am
Honestly, the most recent updates look a lot better from the past ones. Hard for me to explain, maybe because it seems and looks more...simpler? As well as the shading doesn't look overly complicated. Not sure if that made any sense to you, since I'm still learning myself, but I know shading is a pretty big thing in pixel art, in making your characters or environment 'pop'.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2017 at 5:30am
Improved the shoot animation following some feedback given to me elsewhere.

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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2017 at 11:42am
Whacked out a few basic character portraits for dialog and whatnot.



Decided that the jaw part would serve as a detachable comm unit or something.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2017 at 8:04am


Attempting to put some form of expression on the gormless bastard.
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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2017 at 8:00am
Working on another level theme
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Quote Quake Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2017 at 8:44am
Very nice! Really good progress

I'd personally make the grass simpler. For example:


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Quote PrototypeTheta Replybullet Posted: 07 June 2017 at 4:32pm
Totally original space station.



Probably still needs some cleanup.
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Quote Permafrost_ Replybullet Posted: 23 June 2017 at 1:20pm
I'm the 3000th (and 3001st) view on this forum. Nice job with the space station. The lighting makes it really stand out like a 3D object.
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