you have allot to learn about how graffitti is made... heres some things i
didnt think of before, to start the H looks like a Y, you could make the
black outline slightly thicker and mayb dither the edges to look like
spray, verry often in grafitti there are highligts you could put light
highlights on and dither the lines to look sprayed again.

its not REAL grafitti obviously..... its just representing grafitti...

the fact that the words pixel res doesnt match up to the walls pixel res
doesnt matter... it is still pixel art, styleism you could say.

i agree this isnt a verry good peice YET! it is in the WIP section afterall..
there is brick shadows in the writeing but it is verry verry faint.

i think with all you have said it would be better to give some
constructive crits instead of just saying how u think its crap and its not
real graffiti. in the case of if the wall is ripped.. it may/may not be but if
its from a tutorial, whats to say he didnt just follow a tutorial.. nothing
wrong with that, tutorials are there to help pixelers

i didnt rip the wall, i took the size of on of those bricks changed the
pallete highlights and dirt. as you sed its a tutorial. yes this is pixel
art. i only posted it for c&c so i dont see you saying "its crap" is
gonna help because altho it maybe "crap" thats why i posted it to
make it better. it is in the wip section and all i wanted was critique
not abuse!!!   
im still open for c&C

You are so negative. You just don't see the criticue and just see the "crap" word. Omg, world is so ruined. Be damn happy! Happy people won't see such words.

And I was not incuplating you as ripper, I only mentioned that that wall is familiar. And if it is familiar, then it is not the same as exact piece from somwhere, its just familiar, get the point?
I was only accusing you about posting fake-pixelart because of using the automated opacy. I am truly sorry if I am wrong.

That is my criticue, if you don't see, then its your problem and I am not going to waste my keyboard on this thread again.


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i was jusrt waiting for ryan come in

Oh damn it. Just when I tell people that I will not post here again, comes in some  "learn to spell" person. Well, at least you understood my message.



I really aplogize on that rip thing, as this is not a rip, even I  didn't mean it so hard. I am sorry, I apologize!


And now I am going to quote that noofie.

"i cant use dithering or shading
on individual letters because wen do u c a perfectley shaded piece of
grafiti. "
I somehow read from this, that he wants it to be like real graffiti. Hmm..
And ryan, you didn't really get the idea. You cannot name this as graffiti, and there are no such things as graffiti letters. Original graffiti was ripped from like basic washing-powder (mind me, if you name it different), wrappers and packages. So, graffiti would be everywhere, then? And why not is Arial text format graffiti, then?

And placing pixelated graffiti (yes, lets name it so, not just graffiti) on a wall from like fantasy genre, is, for me, plain ridiculous, because if you make graffiti, or pixelated graffiti, then I assume, that you want to exponate the piece of graffiti, not the piece of wall, and from that point, graffiti suits better on a flat wall. You can take it as a crits also. That fantasy thing was more like a metaphor.

And from the heading aspect, I am not the moderator nor administrator, but I red the dam so-called rules post about the headings.

Yes, I am that kind of a nitpicker.

About my spelling. In that point, go f**k yourself, dick.

Shark, yes, wait till the bigger arguing masters come and argue for you, as you cannot handle it (I like to argue). Yes, lets fight it, head aginst head, balanced.


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Frig, dude. There's no need at all to be so picky. Or literal, for that matter.

The artist decided to pixellate some graffiti on a wall. It represents what he knows as graffiti, namely someone tagging a structure with their sign or name or whatever. I don't really know what you're trying to say about the do's and dont's of graffiti, but I do know that you've made little to no effort to point out what you don't like about the pixel art itself. You've just claimed that its not pixel art or graffiti. What, you expect him to spray-paint his monitor and send us a picture?

Also, I had to battle through what you wrote to figure out what you said. At least Truth could spell, and was very clear about his arguments, however corrupt they seemed.

 

Alright, on to the actual C&C. What's with the top of the wall? Not sure what's going on there. Looks like shorter bricks...

All of the painted area is completely flat, definitely add the rises and dips of the brick. You probably knew that, but I say it anyways.

The circle in your target is off-center, and the target could use some AA. Also, why is it that the last letter is the only one without design in it? Oh, and the purple letter's inner design looks pretty jagged.

as i have said here... lets just leave it.. if no one sais anything about
the argument i mean NO ONE includeing inkspot and everyone else....
then half of that wudnt b there... so if u want to argue.. please for the
sake of this thread.. just shhhh

I gave you the CC, like two times at least and still you don't notice it, only thing you see are all those "off" words.

 

I repeat myself again.

Do not use automated opacy on pixelart, it doesn't give you the right tones and it usually messes up the shadows. It loses the contrast, as for this seem to be important for you all.

That writing just doesn't seem to "fit" on that wall. There are no brick shadows on the letters, as I have said before.

And I already told you that this reminded me those old Pepes works at first glance. You can consider this as a good thing though...

Got it now?

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On the letters, there are no shadows, still, only the lines of bricks.

 

And the white outline could still use some contrast a bit, as white is a really contrasty color, so, it darkens out every inner-curve.

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Inkspot has been warned.

Now let's keep this thread on topic please.

Tried a crack at deconstructing what I found to be some key issues for me on this image.
Firstly, you really need to do some research on graffiti and find some reference images online of some kickass artists all over the globe that do this for a living.

Anyways, I've explained myself visually here:

1. First, I removed the background and cleaned up the image
2. Segregated the first letter to show as an example
3. removed silly pink polka dots (have you ever seen a graffiti artist make polka dots???) and added simple (and quick) dark grey border to the letter. You can use any colour you'd like but, I've always seen a black or white tone to outline letters.
4. some quick pixels to showcase paintspills dripping and some dithering to show the blend of dark grey and the red.
5. larger verison of #4
6. NEW bricks. Keep it simple but add some details.
7. Overlapped the bricks and changed colour tone to match red and grey areas. There should be definite indentations that aren't seen in your original.

Again, I didn't want to redo the picture for you. I just wanted to quickly pixel what could be done to make it esthetically more pleasing. I hope this helps!

Ryan, in the end it's about what looks good and what doesn't for me. The opacity doesn't work well with this one I do agree but, it is just an example to show how there needs to be definition in the bricks. Definite indentations as I said. Also, a lack of limited colour palettes don't make something not "true" pixelart. The only time you NEED limited palttes are when you are doing work for games or other program images that have palette limitations built into them... though I agree again that it is good practice.

I agree that making this piece on a flat surface to begin with might be a good idea. Perfect the graffiti, then add extra details.

looks better but again, those bricks don't have any definition within the letter. This isn't a poster on a wall, it's graffiti and should still retain some of the bricks indentations. On that note, I'd would still complete the graffiti before adding the brick wall.

Have you tried recolouring the bricks instead of overlaying a translucent layer? Changing the colour of the bricks themselves would keep some of the brick's definition. Maybe a combination of both would work well, too... try other things, transparent overlaying isn't really working for ya.

saboteur : i will play around with lots of things in the morning
wannahlakujuu: yeah i will do something like that just to break up
the repeatativeness

You see, you dont need to actually use opacity. If you do you give a see through effect and thats not very realistic nor appealing. Try to only imagine how the paint would apply on the wall texture.

For instance you still see the cracks between the brick, the big dents

paint is a liqiuid therefor it willl fill holes and other irregularity in the wall.

Most of the wall details are lost, even the line of hole in that picture is hard to see due to the paint over it.

So my big guess is to simply shade the cracks between your wall jus like in the image above. and you will have a pure good looking pixelart grafitti

i think i mainly wanted crits on how to accomplish a pixel grafiti, but
di0ygen makes a very good point. the paint woul fill tiny cracks and
only the basix outline of the bricks would be seen: however in pixel
art it wouldn't look as real if there were no details of bricks.   
back to the drawing board.

Why you need a brick wall? Just simple flat wall strip as usual. Brick wall would be just disrespect to the graffiti.

allot better not shore what else can be done :/

thanks, i think ill leave it grey because its supposed to be like stone
rather than brick.

ok changed the wall to a more simple wall, i think it looks better
colourwise and also the slight bevel of the brick shows more. any
crits or is it ready for uploadation?

The wall now has no texture whatsoever. Put some subtle hand texturing in there, to break up the wall's monotony.

here we go i thin its ready for uploadation but i wanna to know if
there are more crits before it goes up cos i dont want loads of
comments saying u need work when its been here for like 2 weeks

I know why it looks wrong, the paint color blends with the brick color, you need the paint to have the same shading as the bricks but only the paint color, the color merging gives the obvious blended transparenct effect. I don't know an easy way to fix the blending, looks OK for a game though...

Well there havent been any more crits on this so its being uploaded
http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/5629.htm