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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Topic: Approval Question
    Posted: 14 March 2006 at 1:37pm

Who thinks the admins should be more judgemental and stringent when going through the approval process on the main site? Should we be rejecting more pixels directing more members to the forums for WIP approval? Should we be a bit more lax and let pretty much anything that is pixel art through approval?

Just curious on your guys' thoughts. Please keep this thread clean and post thoughts related directly to my questions and ideas.



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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 1:40pm
I think maybe there should be a way to redirect low quality art to the WIP section, but then we really would need a defined set of criteria for work being submitted to the gallery.

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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 1:41pm
What do you think that criteria should be?
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Quote 0xDB Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 2:00pm
I don't think there should be any raised standards.
Like i said on the chatterbox, a "vote for revision" button would be nice.

That could, if enough votes get in, either automatically suggest the artist to get feedback on the forums or only report the piece to an admin to decide whether to take it out of the gallery or not.


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(i hadn't read yours and Bisques chatterbox entries when i made my last one there, so that comment wasn't made because of stubborness on my side, just because it took me so long to write it)
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 2:05pm

I'm not really sure, and I think that is an issue; there's a fine line between a heavily stylized peice, and a total heap of trash, and different people intrepret styles differently, leading to possible misunderstandings. Some pieces that receive great comments in the gallery often get equally degrading comments; take this piece as an example. The problem with setting any real criteria is that they are, by definition, based on personal opinion, and may be unacceptable for some people, while being someone else's firm belief.

*Whoo* long post!

Edit: dang, someone beat me to reply. lol



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Quote Dra_chan Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 2:40pm
I think that as long as the person is not cheating or ripping art off, it is ok to let them post their stuff. Of course the piece should show that at least the person put some effort into it, even if it doesn't look that good.

The hall of fame and the rating system is to separate the good stuff from the bad stuff, I don't think that anybody should be denied the opportunity to display their work, if they think they have finished the piece. If the piece needs lots more to be done, people can always suggest (in a polite way) to ask for feedback in the WIP forum, or give it right there in the gallery if it's not much. 
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 3:43pm

Okay, some good points are brought up so far.

I have a task for everyone:

Which would you approve and why? Which wouldn't be? What would be your response to the member if they felt you were in the wrong?

Be honest, be brutal... these images are done by me and are intended to be a part of this discussion only. Feel free to rip them apart

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Quote Dra_chan Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 3:51pm
I would take 4, 5 and 6, because 1, 2, 3 are just doodles, done in less than a minute, or so it seems. Wait, what if pixelblink is really a n00b and made it in, like one hour?O_o  Now I have an existencialist question. But anyways, 1, 2, and 3 is not pixelart. 
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 4:01pm

I would take 4, 5, and 6 also, but I would suggest improvement for 4 and 6, as the hair looks odd, and number 4 has a hard-to-describe problem with the blocks of color. I would accept 2 if it was more round, had a clean outline, a fill color, and some AA.


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Quote Monsoon2D Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 4:05pm
Originally posted by Dra_chan

Wait, what if pixelblink is really a n00b and made it in, like one hour?


Then it's a practice piece; that doesn't make it submit-worthy, per say. (Not sure if that question was meant to be taken literally or jokingly.)

6 is the only one that I see as a submittable piece.

4 is borderline. It looks complete, but not fine-tuned.

5 is okay, but it gives us the sense that it's a WIP. The artist shows us that s/he knows how to anti-alias, meaning that s/he's studied. (A definate plus.) I'd let 5 slide if the artist stated that it was, in fact, a WIP and that s/he will be adding hair or what have you. Otherwise, I'd say "no go".

I'm a hard-ass.


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Quote Dra_chan Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 4:15pm
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Originally posted by Dra_chan

Wait, what if pixelblink is really a n00b and made it in, like one hour?


Then it's a practice piece; that doesn't make it submit-worthy, per say. (Not sure if that question was meant to be taken literally or jokingly.)

6 is the only one that I see as a submittable piece.

4 is borderline. It looks complete, but not fine-tuned.

5 is okay, but it gives us the sense that it's a WIP. The artist shows us that s/he knows how to anti-alias, meaning that s/he's studied. (A definate plus.) I'd let 5 slide if the artist stated that it was, in fact, a WIP and that s/he will be adding hair or what have you. Otherwise, I'd say "no go".

I'm a hard-ass.


I was joking, hehe, of course pixelblink is not a n00b, and I also don't go calling people n00b seriously. Anyways, you are right in the previous study thing. And people ask for critisism to achieve greatness in the holy arts of pixels. It is just hard for new artist to keep up with the more seasoned ones. The WIP board is meant for help, it's up to the admins to decide if the piece is worthy of being in the gallery, taking into account the standars in which the piece's creator is.

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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 4:28pm

okay guys... you've done good so far. Here's the answers from my perspective:

  1. hell no... I drew that in 2 seconds
  2. 10 seconds here... no
  3. 30 seconds... obvious. This is what some of the stuff looks like that is slipping through form time to time though
  4. I'd let this one slide. It shows some effort even though it could definitely use some more. I'd let something like this be approved then let the rest of the PJ members attack it if it was merited. Then it could be suggested it go to the WIP section of the forums.
  5. Not by me. The number one thing would be becuase there's no transparent background. Couldn't care less about the rest (though I did spend a good 10 minutes or more on this one)
  6. Nope! This was hypothetically submitted by someone else (trick question). "They" took my image and added some hair. Dirty bastards... none of you could tell the difference between the hair and the rest?

Anyways, these are just SOME of the issues we come across while trying to judge an image for approval.

Okay, another role playing thingy here. I'm a noob and one of my images was not approved. I freak out on you... "what the f**k?? why did my image not go through while all your gallery is filled with complete sh*t? take this site and shove it up your ass." I continue to submit various half assed images, some of spongebob squarepants in different poses, etc. some pics of your mom... whatever. I also start flaming every conversation I can. How would you diffuse this situation

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2006 at 4:47pm



Perfect example:
1- Not accepted under any circumstance.
2- Could be accepted if its known to be created by someone under 12yo who states in their description that their desire is to learn pixelart and wishes to get involved. With this scenario I would encourage and even teach a trick ot two.
3- This one is tougher but still acceptable as a first or second submission, however if 10 submissions later the same skill level is present then a flag should be raised somehow.
4- Although horrible its acceptable. I don't like its style, coloring and overall dinkyness but it is pixelart, just not my cup of tea. This person could easily improve and encouragement will help.
5- Is NOT acceptable because this level of pixel skills tells me the artist is being lazy and a complete a-hole who did'nt even bother to remove the background, offer a palette or anything that contributes in any way, ie. funny, clever, smart, though-proviking, and assumes that because their skills are solid any kind of crap/doodle is something to be sent straight into the hall of fame  This is the worst kind of offense I find at PJ. It drives me nuts to no ends.
6- This is for the WIP thread and NOT acceptable to the main site. This is obviously a technically skilled individual who may have just started with hair details and perhaps color theory or effects and would benefit from help before accepted in the main site where you would probably find this type of decription, "This is so and so, I know the hair sucks and the colors are weird, and I wasn't in the mood to make transparent but hey I'm bored at school so I thought I would post it since I haven't posted in like 6 days. hehe , c+c welcome."

So its relative to how long the individual has been part of the PJ community, their known skill level, previous examples. I will comment directly on the art work rather than PM because it makes the point by example to the individual and those who view the artwork too. At times it calls for harsh, other times nice and gentle.

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Quote 0xDB Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2006 at 2:16am
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Okay, another role playing thingy here. I'm a noob and one of my images was not approved. I freak out on you... "what the f**k?? why did my image not go through while all your gallery is filled with complete sh*t? take this site and shove it up your ass." I continue to submit various half assed images, some of spongebob squarepants in different poses, etc. some pics of your mom... whatever. I also start flaming every conversation I can. How would you diffuse this situation

Put a "post cap" to the misbehaving newbie. That would be a limitation on how many posts per day or week someone is allowed to make in total. This could be lifted again, if an improvement of the subjects behaviour can be seen.
I don't know how hard it would be to implement that feature but i think it would be a powerful measure to convert at least some laserbrains into useful members, as it gives them a chance to realize that they are trolling/flaming/spamming and they can use their few allowed posts wisely(if they want to) to show that they are willing to change their inappropriate behaviour.
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Quote inkspot Replybullet Posted: 25 March 2006 at 4:23am

Yes, admins should be more strickt and not let the site be ruined. Rules say that if your background is just a plain colour, then it must be transparent, most things are not.

Every time I upload something into the gallery, I waste my time by making previews and adding transparency, photosop opening takes time.

But pixelblinks last problem has an easy solution -- ban, ip ban if needed. hell I've been banned from forums just because people didn't believe that my pixelart is mine and they didn't believe that such things are completely hand-pixeled. I told them that they are f**king pricks and got my ip banned.



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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 25 March 2006 at 6:32am

Hmm, i think if art is disapproved the user should be given a reason for it so they can improve the piece and resubmit it rather than come into the forums and complain. I don't know whether there is already something like this though, cus i've never been disapproved *gloats*.

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Quote Brian the Great Replybullet Posted: 27 March 2006 at 10:13am
Here's what I'd do:


1: Revise- general quality standards
2: Revise- same
3: Revise- no WIPs
4: Although by far not the best in the gallery, I'll let it slide. In addition, I'll give some C&C if I find the time to do so.
5: In
6: I'd check if the same member made it. Rating every piece in the gallery combined with a steel memory causes me to sport rippings fairly quickly.

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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 27 March 2006 at 7:37pm

Good job Brian. You get a gold star!

Can you think of any other issue that has come up or might come up that we can address now regarding the approval process?

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Quote Brian the Great Replybullet Posted: 28 March 2006 at 12:21am
I should be admin if I weren't already.

What about offending material? Where lies the thin line between offensive and opinion? Pretty recent subject I reckon.
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 5:14pm
I don't think you should draw the line between offensive and opinion. People need to learn to respect other people's opinions, whether they're offensive or not. Censorship is sucky and stupid and it doesn't help anyone grow or learn anything. 
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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 5:43pm
1, f**k right off
2, better than 3 but seems about 50% away from submission
standard
3, same as number 1
4, please see the wip section of the forum for a few touch ups.
5, i like this one i think its the best
6, it would appear that you have accidentally put some amazing hair
on a crap piece...(had you worried there).. lol not
6 this would be more like the normal shark:
KILL youself you dont deserve to use computers steal art and
adding sh*t hair onto it. you totally ruined a great piece. i hope you
didnt base that hair off you own cos u must look like a retard. go
hang yourself and your sh*tty ms paint editing skillz! w**ker!

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Quote inkspot Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2006 at 9:57am
But no. 5 is missing transparency... Not approvable. So that only leaves no 6 and no 4 in special circumstances.
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2006 at 12:21pm
Except the fact that 6 is obviously a rip and wouldn't be accepted.
If part of the piece doesn't show the same quality as the rest of it assume it's an edit of an original piece.

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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2006 at 1:53pm

i would approve 4 and 5, even though 4 isnt technically of great quality and 5 hasnt got transparency. there's a ''transparency'' button in the galleries for a reason i think. sometimes a certain sprite just works better on a certain background.

as for the RP. i think i would start by telling him to calm down and whý his art wasnt accepted (eg. art standard, or rip etc.) if he were to calm down, ok, if he were to stay heated up after 2-3 warnings, i'd give him a temporary ban( 1-2 weeks) or some other way to not let him post as much. when all that fails i think i'd fall back on  a (semi)permanent IPban, for say.. at least half a year. if by then he wouldnt be able to control himself

how about oekaki stuff?


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Quote Brian the Great Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2006 at 3:55pm
I think oekaki usually is the same as 'general quality standards' or 'no WIPS'.
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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 10 June 2006 at 8:45am
I am Pissed off. It may be an exceedingly hot day here in the UK,
which may add to my frustration, but to be honest i am sick of rating
stuff with one star in the gallery. It seems like the the 'random
unrated pixelart' button could be renamed 'random sh*tty icons'
button. I just feel the standards have way dropped. My art may not
be the best in the world but at least i put effort into it, and make sure
something is totally complete before adding it to my gallery.

Pixeljoint is about showcasing our art, yet also helping others to
improve. Everyday i see about 20 WIPs added into the gallery, yet
how many new topics are started here on the forum everyday?

It not just rushed unfinished pieces, its also the 'n00bey' [to be blunt
about it] works that took no longer than 10 minutes in MS paint. Yes
often we can quite hostile to 'n00bs' here on the forum, however we
generally want to increase the size of this small community and help
people that we were once improve. When i first came to pixel some
of my works were rejected, but i managed to work harder and
improve. Nowadays the work i submitted then would have easily
made it into the gallery.

I am just fed up of rating/viewing rubbish and feel that the
moderation standards of art that gets approved needs to be
increased drastically.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 10 June 2006 at 12:16pm
I agree.
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 10 June 2006 at 12:28pm
Dittoz.

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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 10 June 2006 at 12:29pm

I've been sending back loads and loads of stuff that needs revision.

You wouldn't believe some of the stuff we send back.

Of course, if you believe a piece has been approved in error, feel free to direct the member to utilize the WIP forum as well as informing an admin.

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 10 June 2006 at 12:58pm
huh, yes there are some weak submissions but overall the entries have been great and diverse since last month. I've been impressed by many pieces... guess you can't always please everyone.
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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 10 June 2006 at 1:00pm
Isn't that the moderators job?

On the other hand i did test you today by submitting some
purposefully bad work under a different username, and im glad to
see it wasnt approved. I still lfeel way too much sh*t gets through
though.

EDIT: damn fast jalonso. This post was aimed at PB

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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 10 June 2006 at 1:36pm

maybe you should direct your energy towards critiquing the pieces in question rather than not helping at all. Of course, you could always start by not worrying about what other people do and focus on your own art but, since this is a community, why not contribute something constructive to help solve the problem at hand?

It's not necessarily a hot day here but, I'm getting sick and tired of certain people flying off the handle on n00bs rather than trying to help them in a positive way. It's become a "shoot first ask questions later" routine in this site when it should be the other way around.

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 10 June 2006 at 1:39pm
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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 10 June 2006 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by pixelblink

maybe you should direct your energy towards
critiquing the pieces in question rather than not helping at all. Of
course, you could always start by not worrying about what other
people do and focus on your own art but, since this is a community,
why not contribute something constructive to help solve the problem
at hand?

I shouldn't have to critique pieces in the gallery. The point of the
gallery is finished works. If more people are directed to the forum i
will gladly critique. I also do not have time to crawl through the
gallery critising pieces that i doubt will ever get updated.

Originally posted by pixelblink


It's not necessarily a hot day here but, I'm getting sick and tired of
certain people flying off the handle on n00bs rather than trying to
help them in a positive way. It's become a "shoot first ask questions
later" routine in this site when it should be the other way around.

I'm not 'flying of the handle', i am expressing my opinions, in any
case this isn't directed at 'n00bs'. In the past yes i have been known
to overeact. 'Certain people' >.> hopefully that is not directed at
me, as i have changed my approach to the new folk.

EDIT: typos

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Quote pinsent Replybullet Posted: 20 June 2006 at 7:47pm
 Ive made a piece i think was pritty good. I know my art isn't the same style as most people on this site, but its pretty good and is better then some stuff i have seen on the published art forums. Am i being discriminated against because my art stlye is diffrent? I would like to use my own art as an avitar at least.
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 20 June 2006 at 7:57pm

your pieces were very oekaki-ish. Meaning, you didn't take the time to place each pixel piece by piece. Overall quality was lacking, hence the message to visit the forums and place your images in the work in progress section for helpful critiques so you can edit/update your images to be reviewed once again by the admin.

'nuff said



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Quote pinsent Replybullet Posted: 20 June 2006 at 8:03pm
aight! how do i post a wip on the forum i click the little add pic button but it asks me for a web site that the pic is on  ..... Thanks for replying so quickly!



nuff said kida sounded rude though... (not to be a cry babby though lol)



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Quote pinsent Replybullet Posted: 20 June 2006 at 8:04pm
i just wan't some people to comment on my stuff, on paper im alot better just give me some time
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Quote Azrael Replybullet Posted: 20 June 2006 at 8:05pm
you could use that piece for avatar, even it's not approve yet
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Quote pinsent Replybullet Posted: 20 June 2006 at 8:15pm
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you could use that piece for avatar, even it's not approve yet



argggg... i go to change my avitar and it only allows me to scrole through a list of published works.......

and how do you place a picture in the WIP forum if the add picture link only allows me to link to a website and not post one from my desktop



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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 20 June 2006 at 8:19pm
you asked this question in the thread you opened up... I answered it 15 minutes ago
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Quote Schnauzer Replybullet Posted: 23 August 2006 at 9:17pm
Why some people can post comments before the pixel art is acepted?

Admins and mods advantage?
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 24 August 2006 at 5:56am
anyone can.  its called the public queue.  goodbye.
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Quote Schnauzer Replybullet Posted: 24 August 2006 at 10:32am

Where is ti?

How can I acces to others un-acepted works?
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you have to be a level 2 first.  look at the ranks faq to see what you need   
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Quote VenomousNinja Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2006 at 6:43pm
I think that PA that would normally get DisApproved should go into a smaller gallery that anyone can view, but a gallery not included on the front page...
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2006 at 9:19am
Yeah, it's called the forum WIP section.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2006 at 1:39pm
like larwick said...  stuff that gets turned down doesnt just include bad pixel art, it also includes non pixel art, rips, and so on.  the point of turning stuff down is to keep it from the gallery, if it just gets put into another gallery, then what is the point?
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Quote keithburgun Replybullet Posted: 27 March 2007 at 11:44am
hey can anyone tell me why these "didnt get enough of a score" to pass?





Maybe for the 2nd one they didnt like that it was pre-blown up and has text on it or something but the first one?
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