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Quote jalonso Replybullet Topic: AA'd DDD
    Posted: 25 November 2006 at 10:12pm
Found an image while googling and it looked iso (its not).
I don't know where its going but it will be AA'd
I just drafted the grid and color blocked for now. I don't expect these colors to remain. I will place some kind of fancy design on the balloon




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Quote fil_razorback Replybullet Posted: 26 November 2006 at 2:43am
That's going to be freakin' cool, as usual =)
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Quote MiDiaN Replybullet Posted: 26 November 2006 at 4:46am
the lightning is really well done :)
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 26 November 2006 at 8:56pm
These chinese dragons looked cool so maybe they'll stay?
Not quite sure yet. I like the idea of a red dragon in a sea of flames and water or maybe clouds.

Edit: The colored dragon ref is by the mighty Gas13 o.O




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Quote Equinoxx Replybullet Posted: 27 November 2006 at 12:40am
That's looking the tasty, but it doesn't appear to be right.

The individual lines of the balloon bulge out so much that you won't be able to have a straight line along them like you have now (the tail of the right one for instance)
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 27 November 2006 at 7:22am
You are so right on that, back to the drawing board
I may have to soften the indentations if the dragon becomes too wierd looking going over the bumps.
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Quote Equinoxx Replybullet Posted: 27 November 2006 at 7:35am
this is one of those cases where one hates to be right 
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Quote ceddo Replybullet Posted: 27 November 2006 at 2:06pm
Ack, shame, that design would have looked so funky :/
I wouldn't go for the dragons if you want to respect that rule, they probably will end up looking really funky.

I say try something that wouldn't be altered as much... How about your beatle? (jeatle? jaleatle? jalonseatle?). Make it huuuuge, so that the indentations matter less.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 27 November 2006 at 4:01pm
Omg that design looks so awesome, i think you could pull it off if you just fixed every bulge. It would be warped but i think we could make it out. If not, i'm sure you'll think of something equally good. You'll also have to sort out the ropes and their bulging and perspective i think... hmm. Lovely design, and good luck with the AAing! Lol.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 27 November 2006 at 9:32pm
Taking the dragon design and wrapping it over the ridges AND keeping it iso makes it look like total crap. I have taken liberties with the face so that it appears to wrap but is still looks like a dragon. The body ended up looking like a wave so looking at chinese paintings they often have these curly clouds. I have placed these over all the offensive areas. Because they are simple shapes the perspective remains pure. I think this makes the dragons curvature believable enough? I'm thinking the flames going down the body will help too. The ropes once detailed should help a lot. Those I'll leave for once I'm setteled on the dragon itself, I guess.


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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 27 November 2006 at 11:40pm
could you please AA?
i know this technically is iso, but it looks like regular perspective, and especially the ropes would greatly benefit

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 28 November 2006 at 11:24am
Looking amazing so far! I hope you spend time on the detail of the dragon. I'd love to see some awesome detailed scales. :)
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Quote Blueberry_pie Replybullet Posted: 28 November 2006 at 11:26am
This looks like quite a challenge, but you're handling it incredibly well so far. Keep it up 
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Quote ceddo Replybullet Posted: 28 November 2006 at 1:41pm
The scales... looks like you have a big project in front of you jalonso :)
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 28 November 2006 at 7:35pm
Originally posted by snader

...could you please AA?...


I'm going to assume thats sarcasm?

This just may be too much for me but I'll keep at it for now. Tried another kind of dragon just to see if it was the style more than the dragon. Its not. I will start over with less ridges on the balloon and go back to the Chinese dragon which I now think works better since chinese style images while intricate are simply colored so that the shading and bumps of the balloon work well. This kind of dragon is going to ask for too much detail work?


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Quote Equinoxx Replybullet Posted: 29 November 2006 at 12:44am
ya the less ridged balloon will work much better, allowing you to keep the form of the dragon much more.
I agree that a chinese style dragon will look much better ... while having sh*tload of detail is cool, it's less cool if it's in one aspect (the dragon)
leave the detailing for the scene as a whole 9like what you did with the basket and the ropes and such)
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 29 November 2006 at 9:30pm
Had a total day of so I redrew everything again. This update is only color blocked no refined pixels until I settle on a design.
How's this dragon?



Lesson learned #1 - Drawing iso on a curve that slopes inward is a nightmare
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Quote ceddo Replybullet Posted: 29 November 2006 at 10:02pm
Wow. That is brilliant! I think the dragon's green clashes a bit with the red however... Maybe make one of them less saturated/change the hue slightly?
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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 29 November 2006 at 10:25pm
totally dig the first green dragon the most

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Quote Blick Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:53pm
I don't see why you redid the balloon, I really liked your first version. In later versions you're making the creases of the balloon seem to harsh. Like the second version actually goes to a near black in the dips of the fabric and although the third, newest, version isn't as harsh as the second, it's still too dark I think. Something about that first dragon on that bright blue balloon really struck my eye, but the others aren't doing that.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:58pm
I have to agree with blick. This in my opinion was your best version:
 
Originally posted by jalonso




 
Not that the recent ones aren't good.
 
Also, i feel the perspective of the balloon in general is being forgotten about, as you're thinking about the little bulges too much. By this i mean the curviture of it.
 
Lala, other than that i love the stuff and ideas you're producing. Keep at it!
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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2006 at 5:13pm

they're all super, but I agree with lar ^__^ that one is my favorite

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2006 at 11:04pm
Agreed. That's what's awesome about a WIP thread, it all irons itself out.

I will revisit and work out the kinks on this design taking special notice of lar's dead-on observation.



Blick, I totally see what you mean. I did not realize I was becoming unfocused. Lar got it just right when he says "i feel the perspective of the balloon in general is being forgotten about, as you're thinking about the little bulges too much. By this i mean the curviture of it."

This would have been my "1 year anniversary pixel" but by the looks of it, it just may be my 2nd year pixel
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Quote Dra_chan Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2006 at 11:59pm
That balloon looks very beautiful and it's very realistic!

(but your outlines are not AA'D, AA THEM! )
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 01 December 2006 at 2:23am
I think most of my problems lie in the black outlines, but you're going to remove them :P

Are you going to put much detail in the dragons, like scales? I think that'd be really awesome.
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Quote ceddo Replybullet Posted: 01 December 2006 at 10:28am
Sweet!
I like the new version a lot, the clouds and new dragon look great but i must admit that I really loved...

... that one's swirly snowy things :D the swirls make everything look so chinese, and although the clouds are also very chinese looking, I think the snowy, swirly stuff had a better effect. That's only my opinion (keep the latest dragon though, it's niiiiice.

...but wow!!! I've been quoted! :P

edit: it now strikes me... how the bloopers did you get the section intervals right?? From your grid sketch, it looks like it was fairly complex to do.

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Quote BlackDragon Replybullet Posted: 01 December 2006 at 3:24pm
I simply looooove your cloudy dragon, Jalonso!
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Quote Fool Replybullet Posted: 03 December 2006 at 12:56am
Awesome balloons=) Sea dragon a little flat due to the perspective ..or composition - closer to viewer parts considering balloon shape should appear to be relatively  larger I think.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 03 December 2006 at 9:15pm
@ fool, yes in true perspective but iso it works slightly different since all dimensions are equal.

This update has some artistic license with some of the perpective lines. I can see now why nobody has attempted to draw iso perspective that slopes inward. It's mathematically impossible. Lesson learned after slaving for two days .

I think the main areas are blocked out so I will start to smooth it out, or what you kids call the AA



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Quote Nitram Replybullet Posted: 03 December 2006 at 9:32pm
This is some hot stuff right here. :D

the one you abandoned looks like he was bathing in milk
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 03 December 2006 at 10:29pm
i hate you.  that is all, i just hate you. :P
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 03 December 2006 at 10:34pm
I love you and not only that I miss you too.

thx nitram ;)

EDIT: add latest update to page 2




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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 03 December 2006 at 11:38pm
you killed it =(

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Quote Fool Replybullet Posted: 04 December 2006 at 10:34am
To Jalonso: Well, I don't know how iso rules applyed to the dragons, but trick part is it should be distorted to look strait on the sphere. If you downscale ballons ribs from front to the sides I guess same could be true for the dragon as well.=) If you try to make just a circles all over the balloon you'll see how curves should work on sphere.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 04 December 2006 at 12:36pm
@sander, how so?
@ fool, I actually understood that, lol

Took a ballon drew on it, then photographed and manipulated to the closest iso perspective based on the circle on the top of the balloon. The image isn't that different than what I had done freehand. I can see that some of the stretch caused by the curvature is most distorted at the edges and the bottom, but its not very appealing. I'll tweak my pixel balloon based on this and see what happens.


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Quote Fool Replybullet Posted: 04 December 2006 at 1:07pm
This one actually works all right due to composition.=) I've been talking about sea dragon, the one in green and red. I didn't realize you replaced it with this one, I thought you making a collection of different dragons.=))
 
I like immitation of golden color on the last one.=)


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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 05 December 2006 at 5:59pm
Another battle in my personal pixel War


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Quote Blick Replybullet Posted: 05 December 2006 at 6:20pm
I'm thinking that the red is too harsh.

And in the previous one, the dragon colors are too muted.


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Quote silent sniper Replybullet Posted: 05 December 2006 at 8:45pm

jalonso, YOU R A FREAKING GOD.

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by Blick

...I'm thinking that the red is too harsh...


Yikes, It looked OK on the Mac. I just saw this on a PC and the red is awful (the contrast too) :/


@silent sniper, If that were true I wouldn't be struggling with this. No such thing anyways. Hard work and patience. thx tho ;)


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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:11pm
omg did you say there is no such thing as a god?  Shucks, that's controversial!
 
 
And just so no one jumps me for being off topic - I still like the green w/ clouds most, but I think with all that shading the clouds take away from the dragon - even with the red+gold, it doesn't stand out enough.  So keep working Go- I mean Jal.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by leel

...omg did you say there is no such thing as a god...


As proof I offer, darkuma and P_O
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Quote Cryssy Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:00pm
I could never dream of doing anything like this. Inanimate objects hate me
but you have mastered this
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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:40pm
Hmm it needs some heavy armiments think 12th centry cavemanic china....
 
The baloon should be attached to a pagoda like basket with small rifels sticking out slits in the sides.


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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 05 January 2007 at 6:53pm
Back to battle my nemesis.
Includes whole new dragon face and testing some simulated sclale textures on its back. This is looking a bit odd because these Chinese dragons are drawn with flat shading so it includes that. It must have the shading on the ballon also. Some minor liberties are taken on the shading in the places where it just looked wrong (tho right).

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Quote jsalsburey Replybullet Posted: 05 January 2007 at 8:55pm
The  the blueish tint you added to the dragon as well as the yellow tones in its belly make it really fit better with the color scheme of the balloon.  The greens of the dragon prior were almost too harsh..... I love this most recent revision!... What will you do with it.... Hot air baloon launching from pixeldam??
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Quote Squirrelsquid Replybullet Posted: 06 January 2007 at 2:59am
That's realy awesome! The dragon in your last version realy fits on the balloon. My only complaint would be the edge on the left side of the balloon, there is a corner in there that looks kind of funny, and not "balloon-round". at the blueish cloud under a green tail part.

Oh yea, and add a loving ISO-couple, enjoying their flight! :)
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 06 January 2007 at 9:09am
Originally posted by Squirrelsquid

Oh yea, and add a loving ISO-couple, enjoying their flight! :)




Yes, thanks for noticing that. I am leaving all the edge work till I figure the BG situation. This might end up at Pixeldam too, dunno yet. Right now I will focus on the ropes and weights.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 03 February 2007 at 8:16pm
more work on this...



Now with AA edges, lovin' couple and palette refined to 51 colors. Color count is really excessive but since the brighter side of the balloon is so lit I found I had to add several blues to create the right lighting. This BG color is from Pixeldam's beach so I'm making it for that but will delete the BG for the gallery.
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Quote Squirrelsquid Replybullet Posted: 03 February 2007 at 8:44pm
Looks absolutely stunning! The couple came out cute, Instant favorite.
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