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jalonso
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Found an image while googling and it looked iso (its not).
I don't know where its going but it will be AA'd ![]() I just drafted the grid and color blocked for now. I don't expect these colors to remain. I will place some kind of fancy design on the balloon ![]() ![]() Edited by jalonso - 25 November 2006 at 10:12pm |
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fil_razorback
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That's going to be freakin' cool, as usual =)
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MiDiaN
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the lightning is really well done :)
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jalonso
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These chinese dragons looked cool so maybe they'll stay?
Not quite sure yet. I like the idea of a red dragon in a sea of flames and water or maybe clouds. Edit: The colored dragon ref is by the mighty Gas13 o.O ![]() Edited by jalonso - 29 November 2006 at 9:46am |
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Equinoxx
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That's looking the tasty, but it doesn't appear to be right.
The individual lines of the balloon bulge out so much that you won't be able to have a straight line along them like you have now (the tail of the right one for instance) |
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jalonso
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You are so right on that, back to the drawing board
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Equinoxx
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this is one of those cases where one hates to be right
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ceddo
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Ack, shame, that design would have looked so funky :/
I wouldn't go for the dragons if you want to respect that rule, they probably will end up looking really funky. I say try something that wouldn't be altered as much... How about your beatle? (jeatle? jaleatle? jalonseatle?). Make it huuuuge, so that the indentations matter less. |
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Larwick
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Omg that design looks so awesome, i think you could pull it off if you just fixed every bulge. It would be warped but i think we could make it out. If not, i'm sure you'll think of something equally good. You'll also have to sort out the ropes and their bulging and perspective i think... hmm. Lovely design, and good luck with the AAing! Lol.
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jalonso
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Taking the dragon design and wrapping it over the ridges AND keeping it iso makes it look like total crap. I have taken liberties with the face so that it appears to wrap but is still looks like a dragon. The body ended up looking like a wave so looking at chinese paintings they often have these curly clouds. I have placed these over all the offensive areas. Because they are simple shapes the perspective remains pure. I think this makes the dragons curvature believable enough? I'm thinking the flames going down the body will help too. The ropes once detailed should help a lot. Those I'll leave for once I'm setteled on the dragon itself, I guess.
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PixelSnader
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could you please AA?
i know this technically is iso, but it looks like regular perspective, and especially the ropes would greatly benefit
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Aleiav
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Looking amazing so far! I hope you spend time on the detail of the dragon. I'd love to see some awesome detailed scales. :)
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Blueberry_pie
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This looks like quite a challenge, but you're handling it incredibly well so far. Keep it up
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ceddo
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The scales... looks like you have a big project in front of you jalonso :)
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jalonso
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Originally posted by snader ...could you please AA?... I'm going to assume thats sarcasm? This just may be too much for me but I'll keep at it for now. Tried another kind of dragon just to see if it was the style more than the dragon. Its not. I will start over with less ridges on the balloon and go back to the Chinese dragon which I now think works better since chinese style images while intricate are simply colored so that the shading and bumps of the balloon work well. This kind of dragon is going to ask for too much detail work? ![]() |
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Equinoxx
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ya the less ridged balloon will work much better, allowing you to keep the form of the dragon much more.
I agree that a chinese style dragon will look much better ... while having sh*tload of detail is cool, it's less cool if it's in one aspect (the dragon) leave the detailing for the scene as a whole 9like what you did with the basket and the ropes and such) |
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jalonso
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Had a total day of so I redrew everything again. This update is only color blocked no refined pixels until I settle on a design.
How's this dragon? ![]() Lesson learned #1 - Drawing iso on a curve that slopes inward is a nightmare ![]() |
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ceddo
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Wow. That is brilliant! I think the dragon's green clashes a bit with the red however... Maybe make one of them less saturated/change the hue slightly?
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PixelSnader
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totally dig the first green dragon the most
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Blick
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I don't see why you redid the balloon, I really liked your first version. In later versions you're making the creases of the balloon seem to harsh. Like the second version actually goes to a near black in the dips of the fabric and although the third, newest, version isn't as harsh as the second, it's still too dark I think. Something about that first dragon on that bright blue balloon really struck my eye, but the others aren't doing that.
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Larwick
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I have to agree with blick. This in my opinion was your best version:
Originally posted by jalonso ![]() Not that the recent ones aren't good.
Also, i feel the perspective of the balloon in general is being forgotten about, as you're thinking about the little bulges too much. By this i mean the curviture of it.
Lala, other than that i love the stuff and ideas you're producing. Keep at it!
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leel
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they're all super, but I agree with lar ^__^ that one is my favorite |
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jalonso
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Agreed. That's what's awesome about a WIP thread, it all irons itself out.
I will revisit and work out the kinks on this design taking special notice of lar's dead-on observation. ![]() Blick, I totally see what you mean. I did not realize I was becoming unfocused. Lar got it just right when he says "i feel the perspective of the balloon in general is being forgotten about, as you're thinking about the little bulges too much. By this i mean the curviture of it." This would have been my "1 year anniversary pixel" but by the looks of it, it just may be my 2nd year pixel ![]() |
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Dra_chan
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That balloon looks very beautiful and it's very realistic!
(but your outlines are not AA'D, AA THEM! ![]() |
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Aleiav
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I think most of my problems lie in the black outlines, but you're going to remove them :P
Are you going to put much detail in the dragons, like scales? I think that'd be really awesome. |
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ceddo
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Sweet!
I like the new version a lot, the clouds and new dragon look great but i must admit that I really loved... ![]() ... that one's swirly snowy things :D the swirls make everything look so chinese, and although the clouds are also very chinese looking, I think the snowy, swirly stuff had a better effect. That's only my opinion (keep the latest dragon though, it's niiiiice. ...but wow!!! I've been quoted! :P edit: it now strikes me... how the bloopers did you get the section intervals right?? From your grid sketch, it looks like it was fairly complex to do. Edited by ceddo - 01 December 2006 at 10:30am |
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BlackDragon
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I simply looooove your cloudy dragon, Jalonso!
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"A little pain never hurt anyone." - Blueberry_Pie
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Fool
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Awesome balloons=) Sea dragon a little flat due to the perspective ..or composition - closer to viewer parts considering balloon shape should appear to be relatively larger I think.
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jalonso
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@ fool, yes in true perspective but iso it works slightly different since all dimensions are equal.
This update has some artistic license with some of the perpective lines. I can see now why nobody has attempted to draw iso perspective that slopes inward. It's mathematically impossible. Lesson learned after slaving for two days ![]() I think the main areas are blocked out so I will start to smooth it out, or what you kids call the AA ![]() Any observation most welcome |
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Nitram
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This is some hot stuff right here. :D
the one you abandoned looks like he was bathing in milk |
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Ensellitis
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i hate you. that is all, i just hate you. :P
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There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross. |
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jalonso
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I love you and not only that I miss you too.
thx nitram ;) EDIT: add latest update to page 2 ![]() Edited by jalonso - 03 December 2006 at 10:51pm |
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PixelSnader
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you killed it =(
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Fool
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To Jalonso: Well, I don't know how iso rules applyed to the dragons, but trick part is it should be distorted to look strait on the sphere. If you downscale ballons ribs from front to the sides I guess same could be true for the dragon as well.=) If you try to make just a circles all over the balloon you'll see how curves should work on sphere.
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jalonso
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@sander, how so?
@ fool, I actually understood that, lol Took a ballon drew on it, then photographed and manipulated to the closest iso perspective based on the circle on the top of the balloon. The image isn't that different than what I had done freehand. I can see that some of the stretch caused by the curvature is most distorted at the edges and the bottom, but its not very appealing. I'll tweak my pixel balloon based on this and see what happens. ![]() |
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Fool
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This one actually works all right due to composition.=) I've been talking about sea dragon, the one in green and red. I didn't realize you replaced it with this one, I thought you making a collection of different dragons.=))
I like immitation of golden color on the last one.=) Edited by Fool - 04 December 2006 at 1:08pm |
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jalonso
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Another battle in my personal pixel War
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Blick
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I'm thinking that the red is too harsh.
And in the previous one, the dragon colors are too muted. Edited by Blick - 05 December 2006 at 6:20pm |
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silent sniper
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jalonso, YOU R A FREAKING GOD. |
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jalonso
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Originally posted by Blick ...I'm thinking that the red is too harsh... Yikes, It looked OK on the Mac. I just saw this on a PC and the red is awful (the contrast too) :/ @silent sniper, If that were true I wouldn't be struggling with this. No such thing anyways. Hard work and patience. thx tho ;) Edited by jalonso - 06 December 2006 at 12:09pm |
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leel
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omg did you say there is no such thing as a god? Shucks, that's controversial!
And just so no one jumps me for being off topic - I still like the green w/ clouds most, but I think with all that shading the clouds take away from the dragon - even with the red+gold, it doesn't stand out enough. So keep working Go- I mean Jal.
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jalonso
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Originally posted by leel ...omg did you say there is no such thing as a god... As proof I offer, darkuma and P_O ![]() |
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Cryssy
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I could never dream of doing anything like this. Inanimate objects hate me
but you have mastered this |
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Pixel_Outlaw
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Hmm it needs some heavy armiments think 12th centry cavemanic china....
The baloon should be attached to a pagoda like basket with small rifels sticking out slits in the sides. Edited by Pixel_Outlaw - 06 December 2006 at 1:41pm |
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jalonso
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Back to battle my nemesis.
Includes whole new dragon face and testing some simulated sclale textures on its back. This is looking a bit odd because these Chinese dragons are drawn with flat shading so it includes that. It must have the shading on the ballon also. Some minor liberties are taken on the shading in the places where it just looked wrong (tho right). ![]() |
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jsalsburey
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The the blueish tint you added to the dragon as well as the yellow tones in its belly make it really fit better with the color scheme of the balloon. The greens of the dragon prior were almost too harsh..... I love this most recent revision!... What will you do with it.... Hot air baloon launching from pixeldam??
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There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice. Know how come I know there's no such thing as soy milk? Because there's no soy titty, is there? Louis Black
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Squirrelsquid
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That's realy awesome! The dragon in your last version realy fits on the
balloon. My only complaint would be the edge on the left side of the
balloon, there is a corner in there that looks kind of funny, and not
"balloon-round". at the blueish cloud under a green tail part.
Oh yea, and add a loving ISO-couple, enjoying their flight! :) |
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jalonso
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Originally posted by Squirrelsquid Oh yea, and add a loving ISO-couple, enjoying their flight! :) ![]() Yes, thanks for noticing that. I am leaving all the edge work till I figure the BG situation. This might end up at Pixeldam too, dunno yet. Right now I will focus on the ropes and weights. |
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jalonso
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more work on this...
![]() Now with AA edges, lovin' couple and palette refined to 51 colors. Color count is really excessive but since the brighter side of the balloon is so lit I found I had to add several blues to create the right lighting. This BG color is from Pixeldam's beach so I'm making it for that but will delete the BG for the gallery. |
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Squirrelsquid
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Looks absolutely stunning! The couple came out cute, Instant favorite.
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