AA'd DDD
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Category: Pixel Art
Forum Name: WIP (Work In Progress)
Forum Discription: Get crits and comments on your pixel WIPs and other art too!
URL: https://pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3409
Printed Date: 07 September 2025 at 8:22am
Topic: AA'd DDD
Posted By: jalonso
Subject: AA'd DDD
Date Posted: 25 November 2006 at 10:12pm
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Found an image while googling and it looked iso (its not). I don't know where its going but it will be AA'd  I just drafted the grid and color blocked for now. I don't expect these colors to remain. I will place some kind of fancy design on the balloon   ------------- |
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Posted By: fil_razorback
Date Posted: 26 November 2006 at 2:43am
| That's going to be freakin' cool, as usual =) |
Posted By: MiDiaN
Date Posted: 26 November 2006 at 4:46am
| the lightning is really well done :) |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 26 November 2006 at 8:56pm
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These chinese dragons looked cool so maybe they'll stay? Not quite sure yet. I like the idea of a red dragon in a sea of flames and water or maybe clouds. Edit: The colored dragon ref is by the mighty Gas13 o.O  ------------- |
Posted By: Equinoxx
Date Posted: 27 November 2006 at 12:40am
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That's looking the tasty, but it doesn't appear to be right. The individual lines of the balloon bulge out so much that you won't be able to have a straight line along them like you have now (the tail of the right one for instance) ------------- http://www.pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3306 - Zombies  |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 27 November 2006 at 7:22am
You are so right on that, back to the drawing board  I may have to soften the indentations if the dragon becomes too wierd looking going over the bumps. ------------- |
Posted By: Equinoxx
Date Posted: 27 November 2006 at 7:35am
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this is one of those cases where one hates to be right
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Posted By: ceddo
Date Posted: 27 November 2006 at 2:06pm
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Ack, shame, that design would have looked so funky :/
I wouldn't go for the dragons if you want to respect that rule, they probably will end up looking really funky. I say try something that wouldn't be altered as much... How about your beatle? (jeatle? jaleatle? jalonseatle?). Make it huuuuge, so that the indentations matter less. |
Posted By: Larwick
Date Posted: 27 November 2006 at 4:01pm
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Omg that design looks so awesome, i think you could pull it off if you just fixed every bulge. It would be warped but i think we could make it out. If not, i'm sure you'll think of something equally good. You'll also have to sort out the ropes and their bulging and perspective i think... hmm. Lovely design, and good luck with the AAing! Lol. -------------  http://larw-ck.deviantart.com">
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 27 November 2006 at 9:32pm
Taking the dragon design and wrapping it over the ridges AND keeping it iso makes it look like total crap. I have taken liberties with the face so that it appears to wrap but is still looks like a dragon. The body ended up looking like a wave so looking at chinese paintings they often have these curly clouds. I have placed these over all the offensive areas. Because they are simple shapes the perspective remains pure. I think this makes the dragons curvature believable enough? I'm thinking the flames going down the body will help too. The ropes once detailed should help a lot. Those I'll leave for once I'm setteled on the dragon itself, I guess. ------------- |
Posted By: PixelSnader
Date Posted: 27 November 2006 at 11:40pm
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could you please AA?
i know this technically is iso, but it looks like regular perspective, and especially the ropes would greatly benefit ------------- ▄▄█ ▄▄█ ▄█▄ ▄█▄ |
Posted By: Aleiav
Date Posted: 28 November 2006 at 11:24am
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Looking amazing so far! I hope you spend time on the detail of the dragon. I'd love to see some awesome detailed scales. :)
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Posted By: Blueberry_pie
Date Posted: 28 November 2006 at 11:26am
This looks like quite a challenge, but you're handling it incredibly well so far. Keep it up 
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Posted By: ceddo
Date Posted: 28 November 2006 at 1:41pm
| The scales... looks like you have a big project in front of you jalonso :) |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 28 November 2006 at 7:35pm
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Originally posted by snader ...could you please AA?... I'm going to assume thats sarcasm? This just may be too much for me but I'll keep at it for now. Tried another kind of dragon just to see if it was the style more than the dragon. Its not. I will start over with less ridges on the balloon and go back to the Chinese dragon which I now think works better since chinese style images while intricate are simply colored so that the shading and bumps of the balloon work well. This kind of dragon is going to ask for too much detail work?  ------------- |
Posted By: Equinoxx
Date Posted: 29 November 2006 at 12:44am
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ya the less ridged balloon will work much better, allowing you to keep the form of the dragon much more. I agree that a chinese style dragon will look much better ... while having sh*tload of detail is cool, it's less cool if it's in one aspect (the dragon) leave the detailing for the scene as a whole 9like what you did with the basket and the ropes and such) ------------- http://www.pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3306 - Zombies |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 29 November 2006 at 9:30pm
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Had a total day of so I redrew everything again. This update is only color blocked no refined pixels until I settle on a design. How's this dragon?  Lesson learned #1 - Drawing iso on a curve that slopes inward is a nightmare  ------------- |
Posted By: ceddo
Date Posted: 29 November 2006 at 10:02pm
| Wow. That is brilliant! I think the dragon's green clashes a bit with the red however... Maybe make one of them less saturated/change the hue slightly? |
Posted By: PixelSnader
Date Posted: 29 November 2006 at 10:25pm
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totally dig the first green dragon the most ------------- ▄▄█ ▄▄█ ▄█▄ ▄█▄ |
Posted By: Blick
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:53pm
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I don't see why you redid the balloon, I really liked your first version. In later versions you're making the creases of the balloon seem to harsh. Like the second version actually goes to a near black in the dips of the fabric and although the third, newest, version isn't as harsh as the second, it's still too dark I think. Something about that first dragon on that bright blue balloon really struck my eye, but the others aren't doing that.
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Posted By: Larwick
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 2:58pm
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I have to agree with blick. This in my opinion was your best version:
Originally posted by jalonso Not that the recent ones aren't good.
Also, i feel the perspective of the balloon in general is being forgotten about, as you're thinking about the little bulges too much. By this i mean the curviture of it.
Lala, other than that i love the stuff and ideas you're producing. Keep at it! ------------- http://larw-ck.deviantart.com">
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Posted By: leel
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 5:13pm
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they're all super, but I agree with lar ^__^ that one is my favorite |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 11:04pm
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Agreed. That's what's awesome about a WIP thread, it all irons itself out. I will revisit and work out the kinks on this design taking special notice of lar's dead-on observation. Blick, I totally see what you mean. I did not realize I was becoming unfocused. Lar got it just right when he says "i feel the perspective of the balloon in general is being forgotten about, as you're thinking about the little bulges too much. By this i mean the curviture of it." This would have been my "1 year anniversary pixel" but by the looks of it, it just may be my 2nd year pixel  ------------- |
Posted By: Dra_chan
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 11:59pm
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That balloon looks very beautiful and it's very realistic! (but your outlines are not AA'D, AA THEM!  )------------- |
Posted By: Aleiav
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 2:23am
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I think most of my problems lie in the black outlines, but you're going to remove them :P Are you going to put much detail in the dragons, like scales? I think that'd be really awesome. ------------- |
Posted By: ceddo
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 10:28am
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Sweet!
I like the new version a lot, the clouds and new dragon look great but i must admit that I really loved...
... that one's swirly snowy things :D the swirls make everything look so chinese, and although the clouds are also very chinese looking, I think the snowy, swirly stuff had a better effect. That's only my opinion (keep the latest dragon though, it's niiiiice. ...but wow!!! I've been quoted! :P edit: it now strikes me... how the bloopers did you get the section intervals right?? From your grid sketch, it looks like it was fairly complex to do. |
Posted By: BlackDragon
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 3:24pm
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I simply looooove your cloudy dragon, Jalonso! ------------- "A little pain never hurt anyone." - Blueberry_Pie |
Posted By: Fool
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 12:56am
| Awesome balloons=) Sea dragon a little flat due to the perspective ..or composition - closer to viewer parts considering balloon shape should appear to be relatively larger I think. |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 9:15pm
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@ fool, yes in true perspective but iso it works slightly different since all dimensions are equal. This update has some artistic license with some of the perpective lines. I can see now why nobody has attempted to draw iso perspective that slopes inward. It's mathematically impossible. Lesson learned after slaving for two days .I think the main areas are blocked out so I will start to smooth it out, or what you kids call the AA  Any observation most welcome ------------- |
Posted By: Nitram
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 9:32pm
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This is some hot stuff right here. :D the one you abandoned looks like he was bathing in milk |
Posted By: Ensellitis
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 10:29pm
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i hate you. that is all, i just hate you. :P
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 10:34pm
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I love you and not only that I miss you too. thx nitram ;) EDIT: add latest update to page 2 ------------- |
Posted By: PixelSnader
Date Posted: 03 December 2006 at 11:38pm
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you killed it =( ------------- ▄▄█ ▄▄█ ▄█▄ ▄█▄ |
Posted By: Fool
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 10:34am
| To Jalonso: Well, I don't know how iso rules applyed to the dragons, but trick part is it should be distorted to look strait on the sphere. If you downscale ballons ribs from front to the sides I guess same could be true for the dragon as well.=) If you try to make just a circles all over the balloon you'll see how curves should work on sphere. |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 12:36pm
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@sander, how so? @ fool, I actually understood that, lol Took a ballon drew on it, then photographed and manipulated to the closest iso perspective based on the circle on the top of the balloon. The image isn't that different than what I had done freehand. I can see that some of the stretch caused by the curvature is most distorted at the edges and the bottom, but its not very appealing. I'll tweak my pixel balloon based on this and see what happens.  ------------- |
Posted By: Fool
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 1:07pm
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This one actually works all right due to composition.=) I've been talking about sea dragon, the one in green and red. I didn't realize you replaced it with this one, I thought you making a collection of different dragons.=))
I like immitation of golden color on the last one.=)
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 5:59pm
Another battle in my personal pixel War   ------------- |
Posted By: Blick
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 6:20pm
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I'm thinking that the red is too harsh. And in the previous one, the dragon colors are too muted. ------------- http://punaji.com/">
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Posted By: silent sniper
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 8:45pm
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jalonso, YOU R A FREAKING GOD. |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:06pm
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Originally posted by Blick ...I'm thinking that the red is too harsh... Yikes, It looked OK on the Mac. I just saw this on a PC and the red is awful (the contrast too) :/ @silent sniper, If that were true I wouldn't be struggling with this. No such thing anyways. Hard work and patience. thx tho ;) ------------- |
Posted By: leel
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:11pm
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omg did you say there is no such thing as a god? Shucks, that's controversial!
And just so no one jumps me for being off topic - I still like the green w/ clouds most, but I think with all that shading the clouds take away from the dragon - even with the red+gold, it doesn't stand out enough. So keep working Go- I mean Jal.
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:18pm
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Originally posted by leel ...omg did you say there is no such thing as a god... As proof I offer, darkuma and P_O  ------------- |
Posted By: Cryssy
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:00pm
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I could never dream of doing anything like this. Inanimate objects hate me but you have mastered this ------------- 
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Posted By: Pixel_Outlaw
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 1:40pm
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Hmm it needs some heavy armiments think 12th centry cavemanic china....
The baloon should be attached to a pagoda like basket with small rifels sticking out slits in the sides. ------------- http://www.shmup-dev.com/forum/"> 
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 05 January 2007 at 6:53pm
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Back to battle my nemesis. Includes whole new dragon face and testing some simulated sclale textures on its back. This is looking a bit odd because these Chinese dragons are drawn with flat shading so it includes that. It must have the shading on the ballon also. Some minor liberties are taken on the shading in the places where it just looked wrong (tho right).  ------------- |
Posted By: jsalsburey
Date Posted: 05 January 2007 at 8:55pm
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The the blueish tint you added to the dragon as well as the yellow tones in its belly make it really fit better with the color scheme of the balloon. The greens of the dragon prior were almost too harsh..... I love this most recent revision!... What will you do with it.... Hot air baloon launching from pixeldam??
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Posted By: Squirrelsquid
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 2:59am
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That's realy awesome! The dragon in your last version realy fits on the
balloon. My only complaint would be the edge on the left side of the
balloon, there is a corner in there that looks kind of funny, and not
"balloon-round". at the blueish cloud under a green tail part. Oh yea, and add a loving ISO-couple, enjoying their flight! :) |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 06 January 2007 at 9:09am
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Originally posted by Squirrelsquid Oh yea, and add a loving ISO-couple, enjoying their flight! :)  Yes, thanks for noticing that. I am leaving all the edge work till I figure the BG situation. This might end up at Pixeldam too, dunno yet. Right now I will focus on the ropes and weights. ------------- |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 8:16pm
more work on this... Now with AA edges, lovin' couple and palette refined to 51 colors. Color count is really excessive but since the brighter side of the balloon is so lit I found I had to add several blues to create the right lighting. This BG color is from Pixeldam's beach so I'm making it for that but will delete the BG for the gallery. ------------- |
Posted By: Squirrelsquid
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 8:44pm
| Looks absolutely stunning! The couple came out cute, Instant favorite. |
Posted By: Blick
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 8:54pm
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The 45 degree line at the top left is really over anti-aliased.
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 05 February 2007 at 7:01pm
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@Blick, thx. Is Corona back? So I may just be finished with this :/  ------------- |
Posted By: Pixel_Outlaw
Date Posted: 05 February 2007 at 7:06pm
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That shadow could never look like a circle unless the light was perpindicular to the ground plane and the lightsource shared the planier coordinates of the baloon.
Since you have a real life baloon model use a light to get the real shadow. If the shadow was directly under the baloon it and the light directly above it would be passable. You can't ignore the shadow shape when so much time was put into the baloon shape.
I'm still waiting for the iron clad basket with cannon sticking out of the sides. Arial Pirateering is all the rage with the young these days. ------------- http://www.shmup-dev.com/forum/">
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 05 February 2007 at 7:44pm
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Really, now I'm confuserated? That's for real life perpective, right? Here its straight down and 26.565 degres to the left (iso grid). ------------- |
Posted By: Larwick
Date Posted: 05 February 2007 at 7:48pm
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Jal, this is hot. Keep the shadow like that, it's minimalistic. ------------- http://larw-ck.deviantart.com">
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Posted By: Pixel_Outlaw
Date Posted: 05 February 2007 at 9:54pm
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If the light is truely directly above the baloon the oval ellipse will only change size depending on the distance from the groun. Otherwise you will have to use a skewed shadow on the ground.
basically if the light is directly above the baloon it will form a circle aligned with the y axis if not, you get a skewed image on the ground not directly underneath. I'm not usre about the math involved here you might try skewing in photoshop and then aligning it with your grid. Or use a cad program to do some shadowing.
 All I can say is having a oval circle shadow offset is really killing it. Everything else is perfect.
 HMM this is more at your angle
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 In photoshop use Transform>distort and you can line up a distortion with the points on your iso grid. The clean up and pixel by hand. ------------- http://www.shmup-dev.com/forum/">
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Posted By: Aleiav
Date Posted: 05 February 2007 at 11:31pm
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There's something odd about his face that I don't like but maybe it's just the view. ------------- |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 5:18am
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thx, P_O. Your point is well made and will fix this right away. @Aleiav, the ridges of the balloon distorts the whole dragon, only really noticed on the face. I placed the face where it was least obvious but this couldn't be avoided. I did just otice that two over the ridges on the face I failed to shadow inward... ... guess I'm not fully done yet. ------------- |