Edited by Solid Pixel - 12 January 2008 at 5:40am

One and Two are great, three suffers from a lack of life.

One is the most natural pose. This is my favourite.

Two is the most impressive porn pose. this does not mean you were making it into porn, but it is an artificial pose that opens the chest for clear viewing. The Porn industry figured these sorts of poses out over one hundred years ago.

Three probably cannot be saved. Unless you have created this for an unoriginal game that has every character standing in a perfect line, all looking straight down the camera, and you had limited colours to work with for shading (or antialiasing). On its own, it shows a good grounding in anatomy, but compared to the other, far superior poses you have, it is hard to figure why you put so much more work into this piece.

Yes Yes Hatch, I noted the order after i wrote it, but I decided that it is still valid and I posted it anyway.

I do not care if you take 2 minutes to finish a piece of art, or five years, if it is a work in progress, then it is a good idea not to spend a lot of time rendering an unfinished rough. If the right hand image is it's own finished image, then it does not need to be included in this lineup.

I myself have large works that are half done that date a year back, even 25 years back. I will not render them until I am sure the image is as correct as I can get. I will create as many roughs as needed to get the correct image. The roughs can be spread out over decades. I have known many world class artists, and have worked with many of them. I have yet to meet one person who creates a finished work, who then goes back and recreates the same piece years later. It is a work in progress, or it is a finished work. Not one of these artists render until they have done enough roughs and are ready to finish the work.

I would use a combination of 1st's pose with 2nd's head. mainly because of the weird appearance of 2nd's arm(it's almost tubular), and 2nd's truly awesome face and haircut(1st's one looks a bit... masculine)

 but still, these two poses doesn't convince me. there are some problems on the rigth hand of 1st, the top finger doesn't follow the natural line of the knucles. also, its left hand looks a bit ood to, But I asume its just because it is still in an early desing.

her breast... maybe is just me, but her nipples are pointing in an unnatural angle.

the side's of the chest also needs a revision... it may be the pose, but it looks too linear. considering how is she standing-in both poses- it should curve abit more than it is already, with the rest of her torso, of course.

finally, I would suggest you to increase the division in the armpit.

edit: i forgot, ignore the comments about the palette.


Edited by Metaru - 19 December 2007 at 12:54am

She reminds me of Witch Hunter Robin.

Anyways, I kinda agree with you and Hatch. I don't really like the palette, but I don't think you should change it.

I think the skull on the staff should be at the same level as her head, like it is in the third version at the top.

why? because he loves those colors. don't you remember my continous affair with you metal palette Hatch? or myself using that damn palette of tarro over and over?

there's nothign wrong with using the same colors, just ignore that stubborn north-american bastard. (not all americans are as childish as you buddy )

Oh hatch, c'mon, Get over it. You know you left her alone, And she naturaly came to my looking for someone who actually pay attention to her

 

Edited by Solid Pixel - 20 December 2007 at 4:24am

Edited by Solid Pixel - 21 December 2007 at 12:21am

Edited by Solid Pixel - 22 December 2007 at 2:55am

Minor update:

Edited by Solid Pixel - 22 December 2007 at 5:08am

I never said I was refusing.. I just don't need help in the color department, if I did I would've mentioned it before or sometime after making this here thread.

Edited by Solid Pixel - 22 December 2007 at 6:01am

I need some help with this. :)


Edited by Solid Pixel - 23 December 2007 at 2:00am

To me, her weight is neither here nor there. You seem to have the proportions pretty well worked out. You know where to add and subtract weight in this weight range. This includes breast size. Breasts can be any mixture of size, droopiness, angle, resting position on the chest, nipple position etc.

The inner thigh you have highlighted in red is a troubling spot. Especially at the weight the "red pen diet" has her. At lighter weights, there is a tendon that adds a concave curve in the inner groin area, before sloping to a long smooth convex curve. Weight and muscle also does not hang at the knee.

Other than that she has great pins! Sorry for asking you to do this extra work, but you should be able to drape any material you want over them now. (even to cover up any flaws in her inner thigh area. Few people are perfect at everything, and disguising things is all too common.

I was wondering if you were referring to me with your "trans" comment? I do not know what a trans is. The only joke I made was about the changing pose. Which is not a real problem if you see it as a hobby. If you want to take it further (and if you do not already, I would advise you think about doing this professionally if you can find a good paying job) all you need to do is to put the changes into roughs (rough drawings/sketches) before working on the perfect outline and anatomy. Working professionally is often about speed. Some professional illustrators make a living creating one image every four weeks, but they are outnumbered by illustrators who can create great works in a day or two. There are even a few great artists who can produce real works of art in half a day, but they are rare. It is a fact that I do not know how much time you are putting into this work. You could have spent three hours in total.

Edited by Solid Pixel - 23 December 2007 at 5:42am

Still gnawing at this thing..

Edited by Solid Pixel - 08 January 2008 at 4:33am

Yet another measly attempt. :)

Edited by Solid Pixel - 08 January 2008 at 4:34am

Edited by Solid Pixel - 10 January 2008 at 5:19am

Man the changes you make to your art is amazing sometimes, shes nothing like she was in the beginning!

You need to watch your anatomy. Her left shoulder needs to be pulled out a bit. Her right arm is stick thin in comparison with her left and the arm isn't shaped correctly. The knees are at different heights and the thighs are of different widths. The left side of the ribcage has no depth, making her appear flat. The transition from torso through to hips needs work.

I can see attempts at foreshortening but it isn't really working. The general structure of the pose is good but you have to build proper muscle and bone forms on top of the pose.

Make use of references! This piece is very strong and you seem to be technically able, but the anatomy is really letting the piece down. Also I'm not sure of the anime head in the background, The girls face looks much more western influenced and it doesn't really fit. It isn't adding anything to the composition either.

This post might sound quite negative but really I think it's a great piece, it could just be a little bit better :D
If you need any help I could probably sketch up a quick edit.

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