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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Topic: Alien pincer insect Boss
    Posted: 10 May 2008 at 12:42pm
well heres the rough power point sketch, its all i have right now, its based off one of my drawings, its gonna be animated in sections, seeing as its for a game
 
 
this is the actual sketch
 
 
the barrels and bridge are just quickly drawn, so dont mind them
 
Plz comment, it helps me alot, im trying to find a good pallet, in the dark to medium brown area, give me colour/texture suggestions.


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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2008 at 12:44pm
I do all the line work in powerpoint, because its easier to rescale and trace everything out, also rotating is easy

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Quote BlackDragon Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2008 at 1:36pm
Don't double post, just update your first post next time.
Looks nice so far. Will this be pixel art or not?
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Quote taquito143 Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2008 at 2:26pm
this isn't pixel art, you can do the line work in the ms paint, or photoshop, that's lines.. are NPA.

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2008 at 2:28pm
I don't think she/he was claiming that this is pixel art.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2008 at 3:43pm
it will be pixel art, thats just for the part i will draw on top of, but it will be pure pixel art when its done
 
And plz use constructive critisism only, doing this in photoshop paint or power point would all be the same, i just prefer powerpoint, thats my choice, after all everyones beginning pics are drawings anyways, so whats the big problem with using powerpoint


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Quote Setzer Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2008 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by QuaziGNRLnose

After all everyones beginning pics are drawings anyways


care to explain what you meant by this?

Not much for me to say on the linework yet, you seem to know where you're taking it.

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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2008 at 3:55pm
I meant the sketches people start with are drawings, drawings are NPA but you see them in the creation of most pieces

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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2008 at 4:01pm
Well that's actually not quite true.  Drawings may be the first step to many pixels, but they aren't all necessarily traced.

I don't think anyone has a problem with it being done in power point, we just weren't sure if you were going to pixel it in the end.   And just to avoid confusion - unless you cover up the entire linework you've done so far, it won't be pixel art.

It looks pretty cool so far, can't wait to see where you take it.
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Quote hotnikkelz Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2008 at 5:02pm
it's not pixelart cuz your drew it on powerpoint (ie program auto- AA your outlines). Regardless of whether or not you intend to paint it pixel by pixel. Noone really cares what you do with it, but just KNOW that your work won't be put on display on THIS site as a result of your outline. 

Acceptable work means you have to pixel and AA EVERYTHING manually

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2008 at 6:38pm
Hotnikkelz, it is okay if she/he draws it and then pixels OVER it and doesn't use the outline with the machine made AA.

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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2008 at 12:05am
Originally posted by hotnikkelz

it's not pixelart cuz your drew it on powerpoint (ie program auto- AA your outlines). Regardless of whether or not you intend to paint it pixel by pixel. Noone really cares what you do with it, but just KNOW that your work won't be put on display on THIS site as a result of your outline. 

Acceptable work means you have to pixel and AA EVERYTHING manually


this comment went horrible wrong in the precise moment you failed at reading the first post, and started to post in autopilot mode.

also -9999pts for speaking in the name of the whole site.

hey Op, please ignore this and continue with your work. i want to see those lines cleaned.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2008 at 6:05am
you do realise that the aut aa just gets in my way, im using vista but i wish i still had my 98 machine which didnt do that, now i have to manually clean all the AA out of that outline:
 
or else it would look like this:
 
now i am going to draw over all the outline, but having AA all over it is mostcertainly a bad thing when im trying to quickly fill everthing in, then work on removing the outline itself, so next time you post a comment think about what I have to do because of the AUTO-AA
 
Also just because of your low skill at AAing dont think that AA is soo hard that i need a machine to do it, the  only way to do AA is to understand colour blending
 
 


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2008 at 10:13am
or you could just open paint, and save the image as a monochromatic bitmap.

easier, faster, and most important: cleaner.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2008 at 11:47am
well, yea, i have another way though. i make the fill colour in power point RGB 0,0,1 and the lines 0,0,0 then use the eraser to clean it all up, theres not enough colours between them to create a AA line, but its still annoying
I tried your way, it yeilds the same results, same amount of steps, but im sure ill find a reason to use your way, (if i accidently save some lines as a jpeg cause i have vista paint which defaults to jpeg ) i could save it your way, so thanks, im not new to PA but new to the site, and i havnt practised in a while, tell me all the tricks you can


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2008 at 8:50am
forget about vista's paint and download XPMSpaint.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2008 at 2:24pm
well i worked on it a bit but its absolutely horrible IMO
my colour choices were bad, and if any1 could help me out id be very gratefull
 
I intend it to look like this
which uses 7 brown shades
 


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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 13 May 2008 at 3:49am
would it be considered a PA on this site if i used the polygon tool in  MSpaint, just to make rough outlines?
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 13 May 2008 at 6:12am
Don't think so. The only "tools" you can use really are the line tool and the paint bucket.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 13 May 2008 at 12:31pm
K whatever, linne tool is that same thing anyways heres my remade version, im happy with the dithering this time aroung, pay no attention to the shaded eye or anything but the upper left shading, the colours were a bit skewed by the gif also 
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 15 May 2008 at 2:10pm
give me some C&C as always (saying that always reminds me of command and conquer 
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Quote Shougi Replybullet Posted: 15 May 2008 at 2:23pm
I think you need to bump up the shading a bit more. As of now the faces of the creature are relatively all on the same plane. eg it looks flat. I do like the the concept art though and think if you take it to completion it will look great.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 15 May 2008 at 2:47pm
im working on that, i need to add more colours and add more contrast in the shading, (its pretty big so i dont think 8 shades of brown would be enough to get a smooth flow and still have alot of contrast), im not making this a low colour model so why not try that, i definately need more contrast on the darker side, but tell me if this is any better
I realise how the curves dont flow enough, i just need a tween colour for my darkest brown and the one b4 it
 as always C&C
 
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2008 at 3:28pm
C&C plz
this is an update, since i havnt made one in a whilst? wtf when do i say "whilst" is that even a word lol,
here it is, hope it seems a little more rounded than b4 shougi
C&C plz
 
also im not to sure what colour darkness the line should be or if i should have a line barely/at all
 
[edit]
i just noticed why its lookin a tad flat, the frontmost face has no shading in it at all, well im pretty proud of it so far considering its my first piece of PA


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2008 at 5:55pm
Increase the contrast of those shades, and clean your lines before any futher work.

and pixel the whole thing first, and then work on shadows.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 3:56am
just asking, what does "pixel the whole thing first then work on shadows mean" im not to clear about what your trying to say
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Quote Shougi Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 4:50am
He just means for you to do all the linework first before you attempt to shade it.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:27am
tis looks awesome in the first post trace, yet it looks terrible in your shading.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 1:01pm
its my first piece, im gonna redo it anyways, colours arent right at all, dont critizise it like that, i think for some1s first real piece ever its pretty good, my problem was i started to dither it too early, without finishing the colouring. I'm amzing at drawing in vector using PP, or painting in PS, but this is my first PA and i screwed up when i messed the colours up
heres a video i drew in PP for school http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5rNNkRyC0g it was awhile back, but now plz help me get good at PA,
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 2:13pm
I managed to believe you had some experience by the way you commened in other threads. bleh.

All I can say is to start working with something way more smaller, in order to grab the basics of shading and couloring. and please do not misunderstand dithering with shading. sithering has nothing to do with proper shading.

in simple words: start smaller, learn the basics, and practice. all you are going to gwt with this piece is a huge frustrating ball of mess.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 2:15pm
by the way, I find funny that you claim to be amazing at drawing vectors in PS, yet you said this was traced in PowerPoint. almost a nonsense.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 2:31pm
Hey Metaru be nice.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 2:52pm
well actually PP is what i use for vectors. and i never said i drew vectors in PS, i use brush in PS, i have art experience, and some basic pixeling experience, but im not amazing yet, all i ever did were small pieces, and i want something big now, and FYI your work isnt too great either, considering youve been here for ages, dont insult me like that, for a 13 year old kid i think im pretty good at alot of things, i even have my own game on the net, so instead of telling me useless mean things id suggest you help me or just leave. i can tell you dont have too much experience with organics anyways, id prefer larwicks help for this, seeing as you arent helping me anymore in the first place. and just insulting me for no reason because my first piece is a little messed up, which i can tell anyways, is kinda mean, im not claiming to be the best. all i want is some help and insults wont get me anywhere.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 2:57pm
i know it seems strange right now, that also because its missing all the other layers, which will add some depth.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 3:03pm
anyways i decided to restart and make new colour choices, because my first ones were crap, i used another pic for colour refrenceing (skull demon by Arachne b/c its in the style i wanted) and made some colour adjustments to make it suited to what i want my thing to look like and here it is, does any1 have any suggestions for any changes, b/c i think this gives the right feel,
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by QuaziGNRLnose

well actually PP is what i use for vectors. and i never said i drew vectors in PS, i use brush in PS, i have art experience, and some basic pixeling experience, but im not amazing yet, all i ever did were small pieces, and i want something big now, and FYI your work isnt too great either, considering youve been here for ages, dont insult me like that, for a 13 year old kid i think im pretty good at alot of things, i even have my own game on the net, so instead of telling me useless mean things id suggest you help me or just leave. i can tell you dont have too much experience with organics anyways, id prefer larwicks help for this, seeing as you arent helping me anymore in the first place. and just insulting me for no reason because my first piece is a little messed up, which i can tell anyways, is kinda mean, im not claiming to be the best. all i want is some help and insults wont get me anywhere.

what?
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2008 at 6:43pm
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2008 at 2:27pm
i transformed my line art into a polygonal-like surface, so that i could better understand how to make the light curve and reflect, i think it turned out pretty good, the light is coming from the top left, give me any suggestions on how to make it better
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:39pm
well this is alot better than b4, its still in the beginning stages though but im happy with this, looks less "flat" this was based off that poly looking image
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Quote Peach Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2008 at 4:36pm
I like it too.. gives a rough look. you can try to stick with this to see where will it lead you ;)
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2008 at 5:17pm
just an update,smoothed all the blocky edges the eraser tool made not to sure where im taking the eyes yet but ill figure it out soon, im gonna dither everything when im done, because im sure i need that textured feel, right now it looks like a stone,
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2008 at 6:24pm
update: improved everything, still needs dither and eyeballs
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Quote Poi2en Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 4:01am
looks way better!
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Quote Shougi Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 5:52am
Hey QuaziGNRLnose the last edit looks much better than previous versions. I suggest however that you superimpose some contour lines on top of that current poly style shading one you have to work out some forms such as the brow ridges, cheekbones and other prominent features to help unify the shading. Right now it looks a bit too irregular and asymmetrical.

crappy quick example of breaking down forms into more managable areas



Once you find the prominent features of the beasty you can use your current palette to lay down some flat shades  and there will be more unity among the forms.


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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 6:36am
i cant thank you enough for helping me out. im happy that im finally getting some useful help :)
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 7:13am
i made those in PP, i think this is what you meant right? i used yours as a guide since you seem to know where i want to bring this piece
remember the right side is closer to the camera so its a bit larger (perspective 101) thats why it seems a little asymetric if you imagine it as a flat surface,


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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 7:16am
LUK I 3M TH3 N00B W ]-[ 0 POST3D A UGL3Y JP3G
lol, i cant believe how much better my new version is, all in the colours i guess


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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 9:39am
i need more colours to dither dont i, this will look strange dithered
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Quote Shougi Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 10:49am
Looks good now just make forms from those base shapes you found and your good to go.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2008 at 11:34am
ive done that, now im working on making it have more inbetween colours so that i can give it Metal Slug feel
 


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