PJ Rating Hack


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It's come to my attention that people have been using a JavaScript hack to automatically rate pixel art.  Obviously, anyone who has used this will have all their ratings taken away, but even if you could get away with this... why would you do this?

Please send a PM to me if you suspect a member of using this or if you've used it yourself let me know.

PLEASE DO NOT POST ACCUSATIONS PUBLICLY!


Posted by sedgemonkey @ 3/6/2009 01:50  |    35

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ceddo (Level 6 Yonkyu) @ 3/12/2009 11:19

Easy solution: only enable rating a piece when you've clicked on the preview (NOT when only the preview is visible).


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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 3/9/2009 00:25

 i know, i am making fun of you too ~♪.


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sedgemonkey (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 3/8/2009 18:04

Sorry there Metaru... meant that to be a sarcastic jab at the hacksters -- not the commenters in this thread.

But I was serious about not being to thrilled to work on this today. Humbug.


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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 3/8/2009 16:44

we're just making fun of this, don't over do it sedge.


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sedgemonkey (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 3/8/2009 15:18

Sigh... all you goddamn nerds trying to ruin my shit. Go outside and fly a fucking kite or something.

 

Seriously, I apologize for not being more on top of this, but this isn't a fulltime job either. It's not so fun cleaning up messes in my off hours.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/8/2009 15:14

I do vote yes, I do rate myself, but I *never* (just once, because I believe I deserved it, and it indeed got me a second place :D ) vote for myself on the challenge.

 


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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 3/8/2009 04:10

also, guys, i rate my works with 99 dots and always pres yes on them onthe queqe, not to mention i always vote for myself in the challenge.

i know, i'd live with the shame of liking what i do.


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/7/2009 19:21

I personally don't even look at a member's rank.  Ever.  I look at their name, their gallery, how active they are.  There are plenty of great artistis who are a low level because they're inactive, there are plenty of active members that don't really submit a lot of work, the ratings system shouldn't be a hierarchy.


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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 3/7/2009 17:46

its about time for you to realize that being lvl 11 and being lvl 2 means exactly the same thing. no need to prove something.


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Antiboton (Level 8 Cannibal) @ 3/7/2009 16:15

Interesting. I have always criticized the people who is only looking for points to reach higher ranks (overall in forums and Starcraft ^_^) Off course is normal that everyone wanna be in a good rank (don't look like a noobish) but here in pixel joint is so stupit to be in level 11 if you cannot demostrate it with your own art and experience. Personally I try to rate the most of the submissions I like and many time sI leave the respective opinion or coment. If  I find something I don't like I just inore it and give it no points or sometimes I write a bad coment about that art.

Howeva... I was drinking whisky today so you can ignore me ^_^


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Mykola (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 3/7/2009 12:36

ps, what i said below obviously doesnt apply to weekly challenges, because the peices submitted there are created for the very purpose of taking part in a competition.

(which is however, the exact oposite of why most 'other' art pieces are created, and why i dont like the ratings system for the general gallery. you really don't create something and dream of getting 5/12 stars on a website, do you?)


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Mykola (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 3/7/2009 12:33

my opinion on this might be the most frowned upon but I reject any type of ratings system other than an option of simply appreciating it, or walking along if you dont like it.

i.e, favorites.

no other ratings system can do justice to any art piece, since its an attempt to marry the subjective (one's feelings and opinions about someone's subjectively created peice pf art) and the objective (cold hard numbers in the form of 1 to 5 scales, thumbs up/down ratings etc)


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Badassbill (Level 11 Psychopath) @ 3/7/2009 10:31

I'm referring more to ratings. It's perfectly fine to comment on a friends piece to give reassurance or advice. I'm saying the issue is with people who only rate their own stuff, and people who only rate their own and their friends stuff.


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Adarias (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 3/7/2009 10:23

some sites do well where rating does not lead to ranking.  I.E. you have an 'average' score of 4/5, which makes you happy, but doesn't mean that your 4/5 is compared directly to someone else's 3/5.  mini-cults (EVERYTHING BY KENNETH FEJER IS 12 STARZ!!!)  popularity of the subject (omg that's the best pokemon clone ever!!) and personal familiarity (I've seen you do better work that this...) are huge players in the ranking system which can be strange.  Age is also a factor, with old pieces far outstipped by younger entries having a certain 'weight' gained by having thousands of views/ratings.

My most popular pieces here, and best rated, are neither my best technically nor my favoite stylistically.  http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/8483.htm# should not by a long shot be considered my best work, nor should it be placed in front of many pieces by other artists which it is in the rankings.

I often rate my own pieces without thinking, just going though the new works page.  the benefit of not thinking is that i'm usually petty honest..?


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tomic (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/7/2009 09:55

> "then they shouldn't be at an art website"..
hmm difficult. that would fastly be savaged as elitism. also, don't forget the ranking system.. maybe the ability to rate should depent on user level, like in the public queue. dunno, like "you have to be level 3, thus you must have pixeled at least 7 acceptable pictures and be member for 30 days before voting others" - would at least avoid talking school friends into joining for rating purpose only (dunno if this is an actual problem though)...

talking about your social groups argument.. there lots of us might have to more or less point their fingers on their own.. i cannot deny to have some positive prejudice when it comes to democene pixels for example. also, i'm tending to preferentially commenting friends pieces. still i'm trying to use the same standarts when it comes to rating - means: detracting at least one point for mangas and those niches mentioned beyond, well executed piece of a friend or not ;D


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Arachne (Level 4 Murderer) @ 3/7/2009 09:19
As far as I understand it, 50 people voting 1 is the same as 10 people voting 5. So the real problem, the way I see it, is that it makes exposure more important than technical skill.

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Badassbill (Level 11 Psychopath) @ 3/7/2009 08:57

But the thing is, it's not about taste at all. People are in these social groups where they only rate the work of people in those circles. Even if this was about taste, if a person can't appreciate the artistic processes and technique of another piece and judge it accordingly, then they shouldn't be at an art website.


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tomic (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/7/2009 08:47

yepp, your piece is overrated ;D pokemons are. generally. same with mangas, elves and dragons. ratings don't necessarily represent the artificial value of a piece but the taste of the majoity of members (what's the average age of members here, get the point?)

last month big brother submitted something that is a serious contender for the title of my alltime favourite pixelart. i would have set money on this piece breaking through the 100 faves-mark within hours. it took weeks. last months magentleman piece by ilkke is also a very good example for the common taste vs. artifical value thing.

i think it's more important *who* is faving your piece or leaves a nice comments than these numbers.


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Badassbill (Level 11 Psychopath) @ 3/7/2009 07:47

The whole rating system is flawed anyway. I'm looking at the people who max rate their own work and then don't rate anyone elses just in the hopes that they'll get an award. You know who you are.

There's a mentality that's killing the gallery. Last month FrostPumpkin submitted a set of sprites that we're all very well thought out, and wodnerfully refined. Yet, they are below several pages of stuff that's quite frankly sub-par, or tiny sprites that took 5 minutes to make. To use my own sprite as an example this samus is almost 20 places higher in the monthly top than his piece. When Snake did the same thing, but with only 3 Pokémon he got a monthly medal (here) This system was sopost to create opportunities for new art to get the attention it deserved, when all it has done has promoted selfisheness, and added to the already heavy mentality of rating something just because of a certain members name next to it.


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Kaiseto (Level 6 Made) @ 3/7/2009 00:22

... I don't understand. What's the POINT of having an automatic rating hack? I mean, it obviously can't rate based on the quality of a piece...


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/6/2009 20:43

The points system isn't about "who can get enough points", it's a tool for encouraging active participation in the site.


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CrisNMP (Level 1 Depressed) @ 3/6/2009 20:29

Even without JS this could have been easily done since you could just rate by accessing an url with a random id number. Either way now that we are on the subject you should also add a check when you favourite a picture to check if is not yours. As you can see you can just change the ID of a random image and make it yours.


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Dex (Level 11 CEO) @ 3/6/2009 19:15

 heheh um 

blame (insert name here) for that fav your own stuff thing 

I won't do it again tomic :( 

EDIT: removed from favorites. didn't know i could do that! i feel like a jerk now :/

anyways, i have no idea HOW to do this or why someone would- i rate everything individually :V


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.Anubis. (Level 3 Hatchet Man) @ 3/6/2009 11:34

 Haha, what lazy losers. This is really stupid. Only piece of my own I rated was my avatar, cuz it's Anubis. I never rate my works otherwise. And I rate everyone's work respectively and not just 5 all the time, some pieces deserve higher ratings than others, it's how rating works.


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Evilagram (Level 3 Hatchet Man) @ 3/6/2009 09:43

I'm only surprised that pixeljoint had such an exploit. In seurity terms this is pretty novice stuff. The type of things every script kiddie who visits the site will pull off.

As for finding culprits, I'd recommend apprehending people who have placed large volumes of votes within short periods of time, faster than it takes to go from one entry to another. I'm assuming that there's a record of this somewhere and that everything is time stamped.


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tomic (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/6/2009 08:20

the point is that pixeljoint is a *gallery*.. this implies that one has *seen* the pixel he's been rating... bots don't see. 

@ greenraven: i don't think it has anything to do with rating your own work - i normally do this (as selfvoting is an old demoscene tradition, still but not with undifferentiated 9/9 on all my pieces of course).. i don't fave my own pieces though ;D


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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 3/6/2009 07:22

besides, "pj vote hack" should be "pj rating hack". the title is really misleading.


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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 3/6/2009 07:21

why so serious.


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skamocore (Level 11 CEO) @ 3/6/2009 07:09

Not nececarily rating your own work, but using automatic tools to rate large quantities of work.

This also applies to anyone using any other kind of  Javascript 'hacks' to do things that the site wasn't intendid for.


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greenraven (Level 2 Hired Gun) @ 3/6/2009 06:59

I assume this applies to people rating their own works?


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Zenobia (Level 1 Rookie) @ 3/6/2009 05:48

Wtf... how do you even come up with that. So unnecessary.


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Elk (Level 5 Assistant Manager) @ 3/6/2009 02:41

Insecurity mucho! I always rated with my bare hands, but I stopped cause it takes so long to rate



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sedgemonkey (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 3/6/2009 01:54

Wankers.


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