As most of you would know, the same few artists have been dominating the Hall of Fame for a while now and we believe that this is unacceptable. Therefore we will be removing all of the artwork on the first page of the hall of fame within the next few days.
The artists to have their work removed are as follows:
Snake
Jaeden
Riva
Fool
lief
buloght
Morganne
neota
Helm
big brother
ryan-gfx
jalonso
ThereIsNoCure
-DE-
robotriot
Wayuki
Tremulant
Gas13
We apologise deeply to the artists who will have their work removed, we hope you understand our position. This was a very difficult decision for us to make. If you are one of the members listed above and feel as though you want to resubmit your artwork after the 'clean-up', then you may do so. But please do not all resubmit them at once, as it may cause the weekly showcase to get a bit clogged.
-Regards, the PJ administration.
APRIL FOOLS PART 2!
Seriously though. I see my effing shark on the sidebar everyday. It would be nice to have a yearly hall of fame. Or make it so the sidebar cycles a larger variation.
I'm so tired of that shark.
because in PixelJoint, everynight is April's fool!
touche, great point. Especially in the last couple of weeks. wtf, and such
Sadly, NPA is still being accepted, and crap is well recieved, aprils fool or not.
lol, you know it's a good prank when people call it a really bad/stupid/etc. prank. It was a great prank, because the first two (the pillow-shading weekly and the NPA being accepted) were duds and this one was perfectly designed to really upset people into believing it was real. C'mon, you gotta give administration to have weighed in on community input plus realized how dumb of an idea that would have been in the case of actually doing it. Take it like the gullible men we can be. PJ, well played.
lol, I see someone still hasn't beaten the addiction of SF4...
Jesus, we didn't tell you that your parents are dead. Get a sense of humor.
Too late B.O.B
Now your going to get a Focus Attack Dash Cancel into ShamWow *
it doesn't matter, this shouldn't have even been brought up to begin with
sorry, the joke wasn't funny at all, it was just...ugh..
Come on you guys, you have to give the mods more credit than this. Would you really believe us to be the sort that would remove pieces that have earned their right to stay in the Hall of Fame?....seriously...
This was a little too drastic to be a joke, if you ask me. Seriously >_>
Don't jokes have to be funny? Maybe I'm missing something.
Meh, too late in the day to be a proper april fools joke.
Damn, that was a good one, though, you sure had everyone stirred up.
Regardless, consider some of the comments here. =]
Awesome... it's about time! It sure would be nice to see a few stick figures and random shapes make it to the top of the page! Just kidding!
I do feel it would make the site look a bit "newer" if images changed around a bit. Good idea!
Damn, I have to admit this hoodwinked me. Wait, what?
So it's way past April Fool's... official confirmation if this was a joke or not?
not all of these are active members who will reup their pieces. is it good to throw away art because the hall of fame system has flaws? does this not just make room for the second and third pages - just as inactive and inflated - to take the places of the first? It seems like there could be as easily a way to just change the ratings on them, rather than take them all down. I'm also in favor of the change the system idea being presented. Anything to not see good art vanish.
haha, just think if real art galleries did this.
"We're sorry to inform you, but all pieces by Monet, Suerat, Chagall, Da Vinci, Matisse, Dali, Renoir, Picasso, and Van Gogh will be properly burned in a fire started with old newspapers and cheap alcohol. We apologize to the following artists, but because they are dead we don't think they'll really mind. Also, I didn't really -get- Dali's work anyway, so nuts to him."
I understand completely and think its a great thing that its finally getting rotated for others to endulge in the spotlight. You need a new ribbon for those of us getting removed :-p
That's a nice idea. I don't think favorites should be factored in though, simply because people don't always 'favorite' pieces just because they like them a lot, but for purposes such as studying or easy access or such.
(average score) + (0.01 x number of ratings) + (-0.01 x days since submission)
The average score is increased for how many ratings it has, anddecreased for how many days it has been submitted. Of course 0.01 and -0.01 are just made up numbers, I don't really know how many ratings any piece has. Also, you could factor in how many favorites a piece has gotten.
With this system, old pieces would keep rotting out of the front page as the ratings it recieves slow down, and newer pieces would move to the top because they don't have a big negative factor pulling it down. The exact coefficients for each factor could be determined without too much trouble if you could see how many ratings a piece has and it's average score.
In my opinion I agree that there needs to be a limit to reach the 'Famous' rating, and after that, points/rating can no longer be gained. It's clear those pieces are top notch. After that, I propose the pieces get randomly shifted around every time you attempt to view them or refresh the page or so, so that all the art in the hall of fame has a virtually equal chance of 'getting the spotlight'.
That's an idea for the all-time Hall of Fame, if it's staying. Personally, I like it. But, others will still be able to vote through it, and the authors that aren't on the front page usually deserve the spotlight too, hence why I think it should be randomized.
Joke or not, this is something I think needs to be discussed anyway.
This is the lamest thing I've ever heard and if it's not fake then you guys will lose some of my respect. :/
I mean, yeah, we all hate having artwork get overlooked, but there surely is a better solution than deleting the great pieces that have sat on the site forever! I'm all for Lollige's idea: let the hall of fame box become a "highest rated pieces for 2009" box for this year, and then the pieces there will get the ratings and appreciation they deserve. Surely not as much as the ones who've been in the hall of fame for 3 years have, but they'll definitely get more than one weekly showcase allots.
As it stands I think this was not as much as a joke as it was for you guys to get us to suggest how we thought the ratings should go, but who knows. Just listen to the others and myself- don't delete the pieces. Make a smarter decision!
I indeed would like to hav ethe rating optional too. Also, there are a lot op people browsing trough the HoF Fool.
I think it is a wonderful idea - second wave of fame in showcase.=)) Who are browsing through HoF anyway. (went to re-submmit stuff)
Seriously, I really wish the rating will be optional and left up to the artist.
Ahhh... I saw "posted by skamocore at 4/2/2009 2:51:34 AM" - and thought, the 2nd? Surely this can't be an April Fools joke. Man, if it is a joke I'll admit I was fished in. If not, I stand by everything I said. Whatever.
4/2/2009 12:51:34 AM.
Not the best joke to me. Jokes should be funny.
Regardless of this obvious joke...
I do agree that a "yearly showcase" would resolve some of the real issues of the hall of fame.
Ah damnit I have "Posted by skamocore at 4/2/2009 12:51:34 AM" but I didn't think about timezones...
Must be a joke then. Still though, a new system isn't a bad idea. Though this idea was ridiculous of course.
damn u on post date! ARGH
why damn you don't write it as "posted on XY GMT" or whatever... asd
remember kids: GMT+1 does NOT suck :P
hah that sounds dumb to me, either you guys didnt think this through or its an april fool's joke
If artists want their art to remain in their gallery, theyll have to repost them, and in that way will hog the weekly and monthly showcases instead, and will probably regain the votes they had anyhow!
But the idea of making the big showcase a yearly showcase instead is pretty good. Like not reset on every january first, but always showcasing pixel art since one year before, like today it would be april 2nd 2008 to april 2nd 2009. That would make sense and wouldnt take away anyone's art. Id also make it so that you can see the all-time top showcase still if you made a search for it, but id make the "hall of fame" show yearly results by default.
Also heh if its serious, april 1rst really is the worst day to post an announcement...
(thinking about it, april first is also the worst day to get into any freak accident)
Well, maybe it's a time-zone thing. This is definately a joke.
"Posted by skamocore at 4/1/2009 11:51:34"
Of course it's an April Fools joke ... unless Dogmeat is back as admin ...
edit: peach - I guess its timezone dependent ...
Hey, whoa whoa there, let's not do something crazy now. O_O
And I don't think this is an April Fools joke, because there's been talk about doing this for a while now. Nothing really happened of it. But I dunno, I guess it could be... o_O
just re-read the post.. firstly thought, you just wanted to exclude them from being displayed in the hall of fame, but damn, fully deleting 'em sucks big way!
what's with the awards, faves, comments they recieved. and the awards they'll deffo recieve the 2nd time the are uploaded? and whats in 1 year time from now? are you deleting the 2nd load of pictures?
removing the best pieces (yepp, there is an intersection between the best and the highest rated) while the pillowshaded bullshit will stay in the gallery forever?
there must be less bumbling way to solve this 'problem' - can't you just delete the rating these pieces have received, or better: generally just store the ratings, a piece has recieved within the last 2 years or something?
I don't know what the points total on some of these works are but if they're always showcased, more people will tend to look at them closer and give them yet more points, yet the great ones on page 2, 3 or 4 will never keep up because they're not on the front page.
An idea: Maybe once a peice has reached 10000 points, 50000 points or whatever it gets rotated daily, weekly. Another words, it gets in that top pool.
This problem is really showing how pixeljoint is really growing, and that's a good thing. Don't try to shrink it. Go with it!
I don't think deletion is the answer.
april fools joke on the 2nd? :-/
Indeed I think that everyone agree that a better rating engine needs to be deployed onto PJ. I think that this heavily depends on how much effort can the admins put on it.
About the random pixel art: I think I've used (seen) it very few times since I'm here: again, it can be enhanced too, for example, choosing unrated pixels from artists that have recently posted theyr work...
EDIT: there's another thing I'd like to warn: the current rating system let me vote twice sometimes or even it seems not to register my vote :-(
I am against the random unrated pixel art system that currently is in use now as well. If you press that button for the first three times, you will only find aweful stuff, way too old. Something that shows you random artwork from the past year would already be better (it can go back further as soon as you have rated all that years artwork if this function needs to stay, but except for me and some other bored people noone will ever reach that anyway.)
I love how you're all getting into such detailed discussions over what is obviously an april fools joke.
There needs to be some sort of system that gives a wider audience to lesser known works. I've tried to make it a point of going to "random unrated pixel art" and rating it and/or making a comment if I have something worthwhile to say for around ten pieces a day. There are a lot of older works that I'm finding that are really awesome but seem to be all but forgotten.
Anyway, I agree that there needs to be a different hall of fame type of thing and I also agree that works should NOT be deleted but rather have their ratings changed. I've run into several instances in the past, due to my habit of not backing up and also F-ing with Windows a lot, where there were things I've drawn that exist only on the internet. I actually found an ANSI graphic I'd drawn back in 1994 and lost when my '286 crashed on a site featuring old BBS art.
So, long story short - give other works a chance but don't delete anything.
i think the very idea of DELETING an artists work because they are too popular is awful. Shame on who ever suggested this. I for one would simply hang up my PJ jacket.
Reseting counters AND change the way the system works. I can see the problem but this solution is idiotic - the same will eventually happen again. If you're worried about putting artists off scrap the system or make an 'easyily achievable gallery'
Really unimpressed by this suggestion.
I've been here for 3 years and I have never heard of "lief" or "Wayuki". What the hell?
Well, if you are not COURAGEOUS enough, you don't HAVE to :)
But back on topic: This is a really really bad idea :(
One dot? Won't we get hit by lightning from the Pixel gods?
We can solve the problem! If you all help me and vote all hall of fame pieces with just 1 dot, we will save 'm!
;)
I say we display the pieces in reverse order! That is, the lowest rated, jaggy pillow shaded picture gets seen first. Then we calls it "Modern Pixel Joint". This will make it a more sophisticated place where people who have done art degrees will feel comfortable pontificating.
I also agree with removing the artwork mentioned. Take a kid who is just starting out in pixel art. He will see a piece by fool and think "man, this will take years to get good at" - and that's not good for self esteem. Show the crap first and he will think "i'm as good as the pros" and will become a mature, well rounded person. People good at art not keeping it secret - that's just selfish.
Secondly, if they see something by say, Snake, they might think "damn, this guy has talent that I don't have" and then its a small step from there to worshipping nazi supermen. So let's come together, fellow communists, and ban them highly rated pixel artists!
(srry i didn't get to post this Wednesday...)
I agree with a yearly top to be introduced. maybe a more complex rating search and view can be possibile. at all.
Indeed Stickman.
I believe the rating system has to be redesigned anyway (an completely average based rating system, with exception of the first 10 ratings maybe? Instead of having the power to give higher votes for higher level users, just give their votes more weight?) and then reset ALL ratings of EVERY piece.
That is my suggestion.
And of course the yearly top instead of the complete top.
Personally, as long as the artwork ISN'T deleted, I don't really mind how the galleries are organised.
An artist like Lief or Riva who haven't been active for awhile for whatever reasons - it would be a shame to see their artwork just disappear:(
i'm with lollige.. a better idea would be to replace the hall of fame with best of 2005, 2006, and so on..
though i think that i understand the idea behind it.. rating from a ranking list mostly leads to exponentially distrubution, simply because people start rating from the top rather then from the back..
take a noob who's just joined here - one of the first things he'll find (simply because it's the first subitem in the gallery-menu) is the hall of fame.. after rating/faving the first 20 pieces he'll get tired of rating or maybe switched to rating by artists from the hall of fame (pretty much the things i did after joining). only those who stay longer will continuously rate pieces in the newest pixelart-section or surf through the gallery deeper.
now take a look and the number of members on pj and compare it with the number of members that are level 3 or higher.. yepp, high percentage of short term users = first page voters.
This really doesn't seem like a good idea. Does this mean Page 2 of Hall of Fame will become Page 1? I ask cos a piece of mine is on Page 2 and it looks so embarrasingly simple and poor compared to the other pieces on the page I really wouldn't want to see it on Page 1. Actually I don't think it's good enough for Page 2 either... Got be a better way to do things surely.
I agree with the yearly hall of fame idea. It would be neat to have all the work that gets into the hall of fame archived by year. Also I think lollige had a good idea with "Also, for the artwork that shows on the frontpage on the right side, id prefer to see random artworks that got a Monthly top award, because I have seen all of these way too many times now!" well not sure if this is an april fools thing but it does have a good point I think but not the way its been proposed to be done.
totally agree, if you removed the arwork entirely you could gain the same effect simply resetting the vote and click counter, if you're not removing entirely you should write it.
other solution: create an unvotable gallery for those who reached the "god level"
removing is unacceptable imho, pls explain!!
wouldn't it been easier to re-organize the hall of hame by rewriting the scripts instead? or just get rid of it and go with something different? I'm not in the group listed above but I can't say it's fair and walk out on it. forcing artists to delete their works won't ever be a good idea, sorry.
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It should just randomize between any pieces that got a monthly trophy?