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Quote skeddles Replybullet Topic: Two people standing on a cliff
    Posted: 29 November 2008 at 1:14pm
So, what do you think? Right now I've just done a basic plan, and worked on clouds. Last two people on earth. Any ideas for what I should do with the background? I am probably going to put a city on fire in the background, but I dunno what to do for the foreground, other than just the cliff. The people will probably be wearing white masks, with dark clothes, possible blood stained. Maybe I should have a fire below them? To give it a cool atmosphere lighting thing. I really just need some creativity ideas here. Please suggest anything, and feel free to scribble over it if you want.

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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 29 November 2008 at 2:30pm
As soon as I heard "last two people on earth" I suddenly got a pervy moment. Make one of them a babe. 
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 29 November 2008 at 2:52pm
Maybe not last two, but you know... lots of dead people and destruction... fun stuff.



Plus if I did people may start to suspect things....
Maybe genderless... not sure how to that though... unless they're just silhouettes.


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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 29 November 2008 at 3:15pm
I still stand by my previous statement. What better way to show the woman you love just how much you love her by helping her slaughter the entire population of earth? 

But if you want to go the genderless route, I've got three words for you: Robes. With. Hoods.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 29 November 2008 at 3:59pm
Are they holding tablet pens 
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Quote Damian Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2008 at 5:48am
Huh, make one called Adam and the other called Eve :P

How ironic would that be :)

I'd like to see more :) but it is a bit iffy at the moment.
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Quote ellie-is Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2008 at 7:31am
Clouds are pretty cool so far.

Also, if you want them genderless, keep them as sillhouette-ish. Use dark colors and stuff. But I think making a couple would be better. I mean, otherwise, humans would be pretty screwed. :P
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Quote Damian Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2008 at 9:47am
they could be gay :P
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Quote ellie-is Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2008 at 11:13am
They wouldnt have kids, even if they were gay.
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2008 at 1:39pm
I did more on the clouds, and played with the people.

I gotta decide what I'm doing in the rest of the piece.

Destroyed city in the background prolly.

Dunno what to de below the people. Just a hill sounds kinda boring.


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Quote tuaarita Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2008 at 2:06pm
Originally posted by skeddles

Dunno what to de below the people. Just a hill sounds kinda boring.


Nothing, gives a great atmosphere but maybe blend the horizon to the sky.
And what are they standing on? Pile of dirt? :P Make it a mountain cliff or something.

Edit: oh below, not above Oh well whatever.

Edited by Leroy - 06 December 2008 at 4:24pm
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2008 at 2:39pm
Here's anew one.
I started working on the background, and outlined the foreground. I just need something to put in all that blank space.


Edited by skeddles - 06 December 2008 at 3:02pm


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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2008 at 3:31pm
Looking awesomer and awesomer. 
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Quote tuaarita Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2008 at 4:41pm


just a thought


Edited by Leroy - 06 December 2008 at 4:43pm
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2008 at 8:24pm
I don't really want to because that will make the other person seem like they're facing the wrong way. Heres the new one. Which is pretty much my original Idea but only on one side.
Maybe the shorter one should be on the side without the cliff?



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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 12 December 2008 at 5:29pm
-Finished clouds
-Finished half of city

Still need something below the city, and maybe something between the clouds and city.

It seems like kind of a lot of colors, but I suck at reducing.


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Quote geminoid Replybullet Posted: 12 December 2008 at 5:51pm
man, those clouds are stellar.
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Quote ellie-is Replybullet Posted: 13 December 2008 at 6:34am
Ditto on gem. The finished half of the sh*tty is pretty awesome too. Maybe addd some fire below the city, and give the city itself some warm colors? I dunno.
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Quote Elk Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2008 at 2:51pm
A bit late but can you make the clouds a little more dramatic :-)?
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 17 December 2008 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by Elk

A bit late but can you make the clouds a little more dramatic :-)?

I could but I really don't want to do them over. Plus I don't know what you mean by dramatic. But if you want to explain I'll be grateful ^^ I use clouds a lot. I might. We'll see.


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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 19 December 2008 at 9:47pm
Elk makes a great observation on your clouds.
You always draw opaque/dense clouds.
I will assume he mean, since I agree, that since clouds are vapor/gas-sy it is ok for light to emit from within in areas.
Best analogy I can make is your clouds are made of cotton and not dense smoke. No need to redraw, just try to bring them to life a bit.
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2008 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by jalonso

Elk makes a great observation on your clouds.
You always draw opaque/dense clouds.
I will assume he mean, since I agree, that since clouds are vapor/gas-sy it is ok for light to emit from within in areas.
Best analogy I can make is your clouds are made of cotton and not dense smoke. No need to redraw, just try to bring them to life a bit.


Like this:
http://skeddles.com/pa.asp?f=114
?

Kinda?


I don't really know how I could fix it, and ideas? Please? I don't want this to look bad. But I don't want to forget about because it seems like too much work. I did it again. I did just parts of a piece and now it sucks. Why? I don't know. sdfgsdfgsdfgd.fgs.dfg.sdfg.sdf.g.dgds.


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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2008 at 9:32pm
I think its more about color choices than anything.
Heres something???
http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/29627.htm

You know how when we make palettes we control the ramps so that there is a flow?....

well, with clouds you need exaggeration of color switches to add drama.
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2008 at 10:57pm
You mean
Like change it to a unusual color?
Or do something crazy?

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3562/48861861us3.png
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Edited by skeddles - 20 December 2008 at 10:58pm


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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 21 December 2008 at 7:47pm
hmmmm, don't know what to say really.
If as you work on the rest of the picture perhaps one or two of the buildings in the background could have enough lights on that it reflects on a section of the cloud mass from below.

Maybe its just time to work on everything but the clouds and see what's needed at the end to make the clouds do it job?

E: Found this :/
Notice it has atmosphere to it and lots of variation.
Then see how yours is of even coloring.

This is a color selection from this pic if you like



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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2009 at 10:08pm
Just thought I'd post an update. Started working on the cliff, worked more on the other side of the city, and finished the people.


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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2009 at 11:49pm
It's so dark the detail on their hoodies, and the rocks are un-seen.
At least on my monitor it is ._.


Edited by Souly - 07 January 2009 at 11:49pm

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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 08 January 2009 at 12:08am
Agreed, that's my biggest problem with this piece.

brightness adjustment:



Even if you did something like this, it would still come across as being a dark scene, but at the same time...it would actually be visible on people's monitors... D:
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 08 January 2009 at 1:29pm
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Raise the contrast yes.

Raise the brightness no.

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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 10 January 2009 at 5:23pm
I altered the colors on the clouds and rocks. My friend still says it's too dark, But it looks good on my screen.

I also worked on the rocks a lot more. Clearly.


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 10 January 2009 at 9:34pm
its darks, but in my hyper dark monitor is virtually a grayish cloud and nothing else.
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 10 January 2009 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by Metaru

its darks, but in my hyper dark monitor is virtually a grayish cloud and nothing else.


I have no clue what you just said.


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 11 January 2009 at 3:47am
the first and probably only element one notices in your image are the clouds. the rest is too dark to be noticed.

just because its suposed to have a dark feeling it doesnt mean it has to be "black"
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Quote Hapiel Replybullet Posted: 11 January 2009 at 4:51am
Study saboteurs edit some more, its awesome, clearly visible, dark, and awesome!
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 11 January 2009 at 8:55am
Have some more contrast on the peoples clothes.
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Quote Emtch Replybullet Posted: 12 January 2009 at 11:38am
This is great. The buildings, clouds and cliff look amazing.
 
About the brightness: Since it's your work, you decide how dark it will be because it's more of a stylistic choice. If you want it this dark, go for it. It' perfectly readable on both my monitors (one of which is 9 years old.)
Don't overdo it with the contrast if you want to keep it smooth looking, because the edits are much more harsh than this latest version.
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 16 January 2009 at 7:02pm
Update. Gave it more contrast, and worked on the rocks.


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Quote Hapiel Replybullet Posted: 17 January 2009 at 2:20am
I really do NOT see the difference. I guess you will have to up the contrast way more, because at this darkness I can't even find the things you have changed on the rocks!
I can hardly see rocks!
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 17 January 2009 at 11:17am
Okay, I put even more contrast on the rocks/clouds, but I'm starting to not like it. It's supposed to be a night scene with no lights, not a rave party.


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Quote AdamF Replybullet Posted: 17 January 2009 at 11:42am
I think the lighter the rocks get, the messier they get. I'd keep it darker, but that's just me. Lookin' great though!
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Quote Hapiel Replybullet Posted: 17 January 2009 at 1:09pm
I have just viewed it on a huge black bg, and then it looks sorta ok, also the darker versions. I suggest you put a thick black border around the final version for those who use a bright theme (like me).
Your newest version is readable, but I still like saboteurs version more...
 
EDIT:
At the moment I am at school, with plasma screens. Here I do see, and like your versions, and they are surely not too dark. But if you want those with the old thick screens to see your stuff....
 
I need a new screen.


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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 19 January 2009 at 1:15pm
Haha, I agree, it does look better on a black bg. And a non-crt.

I think the rocks are done. Tell me if I'm wrong. Gotta finish that city now. I think I'll just do silhouettes of tree's for that empty space on the left.




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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 19 January 2009 at 1:22pm
Is it me or is it a bit too dark?
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 19 January 2009 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by greenraven

Is it me or is it a bit too dark?

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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 19 January 2009 at 1:48pm
Pretty much what ska said right there:

Originally posted by skamocore

Agreed, that's my biggest problem with this piece.

brightness adjustment:



Even if you did something like this, it would still come across as being a dark scene, but at the same time...it would actually be visible on people's monitors... D:


Seem a bit too dark (at least for me).
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Quote NotlikeTheOther Replybullet Posted: 19 January 2009 at 3:24pm
First of all, let me say I LOVE THIS!
Question, what happened to their swords?  It looked cool that they were back to back swords drawn... maybe an enemy of some type is surrounding them and they must fight to the death?

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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 19 January 2009 at 6:03pm
Originally posted by NotlikeTheOther

First of all, let me say I LOVE THIS!
Question, what happened to their swords?  It looked cool that they were back to back swords drawn... maybe an enemy of some type is surrounding them and they must fight to the death?


Haha, thanks.

Yeah, I dropped the swords because i thought it looked kinda dorky, plus I thought it was a bit too suggesting of a theme, and i wanted the piece to be more open to interpretation.

@Greenie: Yeah, I know, I've been making it lighter and lighter, but I kinda like where it is now. I actually even undid the last lightening, I dunno If i should redo it again or not. Tell me what you guys think. Even though I'm getting completely mixed signals.

I'll try to finish the city tonight or tomorrow.Thanks for sticking with me guys.


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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 19 January 2009 at 6:29pm
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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 22 January 2009 at 3:22pm

Finished city. What now? Trees in between? If it looks to uncontrasty, try this, if still, tell me about it.
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1016/standbgzu1.png


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Quote 006 Replybullet Posted: 22 January 2009 at 6:45pm
This is an awesome piece, can't wait till its done. What about adding more mountains before the city.
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