Diversions
 Pixel Joint Forum : The Lounge : Diversions
Message Icon Topic: Does "Hybrid PA" belong into PJ's gallery? Post Reply Post New Topic
Author Message
Mykola
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 22 September 2019
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 195
Quote Mykola Replybullet Topic: Does "Hybrid PA" belong into PJ's gallery?
    Posted: 21 February 2007 at 3:26pm
I don't know if a similar thread was started and I'm in fact too lazy to check deep enough in the forums :D
 
but anyway!
I figured this argument would start when I uploaded my piece containing a gradient in the backdrop..
We all know that it's not quite fitting the pixelart standards. BUT... If the art is still good and contains MOSTLY like 90% pixels? Does it belong in the main PJ gallery?
 
I'd really like to hear people's opinions :D
Understand this thread is in no way meant to defend myself in an argument with Jal :D - the only reason why I post this is - I'd like to see Gunstar's hybrid PA works (for instance) in the main gallery. I like Snader's green gradient avatar. And I think both are legit pixel art..
 
SOO in my opinion we all know bonafide pixel ART from bs art. And I think if a good piece has a grad here or there it shouldn't 'disqualify' it.
 
I think - a gradient backdrop is none worse than filling the canvas with the bucket tool. The 'process' in fact is identical. Just don't tell me you do solid color backdrops with a paintbrush/pencil ok :D
 
ANYWAY - I said what I think, now I wanna hear what y'all think, agree or not.
IP IP Logged
Monkey 'o Doom
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 24 September 2005
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2994
Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 21 February 2007 at 3:47pm

RPG is numberwang.
IP IP Logged
Mykola
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 22 September 2019
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 195
Quote Mykola Replybullet Posted: 21 February 2007 at 4:08pm

Wow, thanks MoD :) They are relevant indeed!

Now we got at the very least Ken Fejer and Gunstar successfully practicing hybrid PA.. Two VERY prominent artists indeed.
 
Now I hope more people speak up what they really feel - is in a natural evolution of pixel art as an art style? or is it killing the art form.


Edited by Mykola - 21 February 2007 at 4:30pm
IP IP Logged
FrankieSmileShow
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 02 February 2015
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 86
Quote FrankieSmileShow Replybullet Posted: 21 February 2007 at 5:17pm
There isnt really a debate to be had here.
On one hand, if you dont have the time to do the pixel art of a large background, putting a CGed one could work, and if its esthetically as good, then you have no reason not to use it.
But on the other hand, this is a pixel art communauty, where people post pixel art to get better at it or showcase their talent, so posting non-pixel art is simply pointless. Things you submit here are not made to just be good looking, theyre posted to showcase and devlop your talent at a very precise thing, pixel art. Not general computer graphics art.
Also, most pictures out there with NPA elements could easily be edited to become legitimate pixel art, so simply leaving it there seems a lack of good will (that is, if you are aware of the NPA law, and what it means and all)

If the gallery was a more general one with merely a direction towards pixel art, these hybrid pieces wouldnt be a problem. But its not the case.


Edited by FrankieSmileShow - 21 February 2007 at 5:18pm
IP IP Logged
leel
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 29 June 2005
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3001
Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 21 February 2007 at 5:30pm

I agree with frankie+jal and all.  The piece may be amazing, but there's plenty of amazing pieces that are NPA and they just don't belong here.  Not because they're bad, but because they're NPA. 

IP IP Logged
Pixel_Outlaw
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 01 September 2005
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3829
Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 21 February 2007 at 8:47pm
NPA is for Deviant Art. Period.
IP IP Logged
jalonso
Admiral
Admiral
Avatar

Joined: 29 November 2022
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 13537
Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 22 February 2007 at 5:12am
NPA BGs =
IP IP Logged
Aleiav
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 08 April 2016
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2380
Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 22 February 2007 at 11:50am
I don't see why this is a debate or argument. This is PIXEL joint, point blank.

They run the forum, they decided no NPA, that's that. If you don't like it, submit it to deviantART or some other gallery.



lol.

Edited by Aleiav - 22 February 2007 at 11:52am
IP IP Logged
Monkey 'o Doom
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 24 September 2005
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2994
Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 22 February 2007 at 1:26pm
I didn't post my opinion, did I? I think the gallery should have only real, 100% pixelled pixel art. While a NPA background or shadow or whatever may be the look someone's going for, I bet that same look can be emulated in pixel art almost losslessly. Gradients over a long distance are the only exception (dithering implies a texture that may not fit well with the rest of the piece), but usually such a gradient is a background and doesn't really contribute to the pixel art.

RPG is numberwang.
IP IP Logged
dragonrc
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 05 May 2006
Location: Netherlands
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 294
Quote dragonrc Replybullet Posted: 22 February 2007 at 2:11pm
I agree with Aleiav.
If you let one of these *ugh* things() in then you'll get things like
"Hey why isn't mine accepted?"
"It has gradients in it"
"so, he got them too and it got accepted"
IP IP Logged
Mykola
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 22 September 2019
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 195
Quote Mykola Replybullet Posted: 22 February 2007 at 2:29pm
Stop Whining poster = VEEEERY funny. all I asked for was opinions. I wasn't bitching or complaining. Geez.
 
Oh and for the record, I didn't say I don't like this or that. And I din't say I think I'm better than everybody, hey let's change them rules.
All I wanted was to know opinions without statements a la 'go post your stuff at da' mixed in.
 
Sorry if I sound bitter


Edited by Mykola - 22 February 2007 at 2:52pm
IP IP Logged
Aleiav
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 08 April 2016
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2380
Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 22 February 2007 at 4:45pm
It is funny. That's why I posted it.

and besides, that is my opinion. :P
IP IP Logged
jalonso
Admiral
Admiral
Avatar

Joined: 29 November 2022
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 13537
Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 22 February 2007 at 8:02pm
Guys, Mykola has a genuine interest in understanding this aspect of our hobby. He doesn't need to use gradients and has proven to be skilled. He may not YET understand this pet-peeve of our. Please show respect and courtesy for each other in your discussions.
Use this liberally as needed --->
IP IP Logged
Mathias
Seaman
Seaman
Avatar

Joined: 20 April 2023
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 13
Quote Mathias Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2007 at 5:52pm
Excuse my ignorance, but does NPA mean Non Pixel Art??
IP IP Logged
Akira
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 03 March 2005
Location: New Zealand
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 220
Quote Akira Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2007 at 9:51pm
yezzirrrr.
IP IP Logged
Mathias
Seaman
Seaman
Avatar

Joined: 20 April 2023
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 13
Quote Mathias Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2007 at 11:38pm
Originally posted by Mathias

Excuse my ignorance, but does NPA mean Non Pixel Art??
 
Oh yeah, and "selout", what the heck is that?
IP IP Logged
Akira
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 03 March 2005
Location: New Zealand
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 220
Quote Akira Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2007 at 11:47pm
selective outlining.

its like using dark outlines in shadow and light outlines in light. well there's actually a few different ways of doing it but thats the main one.
IP IP Logged
jalonso
Admiral
Admiral
Avatar

Joined: 29 November 2022
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 13537
Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 16 March 2007 at 4:54am
This is Bisque's study on selout. Just a visual explanation. www.spriteart.com has a great tutorial if you need.
IP IP Logged
Mathias
Seaman
Seaman
Avatar

Joined: 20 April 2023
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 13
Quote Mathias Replybullet Posted: 16 March 2007 at 8:02am
Oh thanks Jalonso! Then NPA does mean "Non Pixel Art", correct?
Off topic, sorry guys.
 
But, to be on topic, and I know I'm new to pixel art, I'll assert my opinion anyway. I don't want pixel art to ever become a dilluted artform so I hope that using real grads and auto aa never becomes accepted as true pixel, but I do think that when done right, it's a respectable hybrid. But a hybrid only.
IP IP Logged
Akira
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 03 March 2005
Location: New Zealand
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 220
Quote Akira Replybullet Posted: 22 March 2007 at 12:15am
Originally posted by Mathias

Oh thanks Jalonso! Then NPA does mean "Non Pixel Art", correct?

Originally posted by Akira

yezzirrrr.

why don't people understand me ;_;

Edited by Akira - 22 March 2007 at 12:15am
IP IP Logged
sedgemonkey
Admiral
Admiral
Avatar

Joined: 07 April 2021
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1669
Quote sedgemonkey Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2007 at 11:26am
I certainly flip flop on pieces like this, but it's just easier on the admins if we have set rules to follow rather than making exceptions for  hybrids -- no matter how excellent the pixel art might be.
IP IP Logged
Post Reply Post New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum