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Quote Platnium Replybullet Topic: My man
    Posted: 15 July 2007 at 11:38am
What ya think should i do any more work on him, or is he o.k to submit.
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Quote soda Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2007 at 11:42am
I don't think it's ready.  There's almost no shading, the face...  two dots and a line?  And the hat's colors are to dark, there's also no shading on that.  And that title is pretty weird.   
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Quote Blueberry_pie Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2007 at 11:46am
Why the dithering on the hat? It's the same pattern on the whole thing, and it doesn't create any texture at all because the colours are so similar. (I didn't even see it was dithered at 1x zoom)
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2007 at 11:52am
Ok i will make the hat like take all the dithering of and do the shading again and show you.
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2007 at 12:04pm
Is this better
Before:
 
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Quote soda Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2007 at 12:38pm
Not really, you need more contrast.  It doesn't look any different.  Fix the face also.  
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2007 at 12:47pm
How are these.
 
normal:
 
a bit slower:
 
 
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2007 at 7:57pm
People are going to be disinclined to help you if completely ignore their very good advice. You really need to fix the problems with this piece that have already been pointed out before moving on to animation.
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 8:53am
Well im not so sure what contrast is (sorry im quite young) and i have change the eyes and mouth, i think it may be done now, not sure.
 
 
 
And look this is the first one:
 
Atleast its improved.
 
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Quote soda Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 9:10am
If you need more contrast, you would make the color brighter, against another color.

And you could only be at least 13, because that's the youngest you could be on PJ.

As for the picture?  Add some eyebrows, a shadow on the nose, define the shape of the head more, and the mouth needs more details. 


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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 9:18am
ok im on it right now and i will show you.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 9:22am
You could crack a dictionary if you don't know what contrast is.

At any rate, as soda said, it is:
    • The degree of difference between tones in a television picture, photograph, or other image.

    • Enhancement of the apparent brightness or clarity of a design provided by the juxtaposition of different colors or textures.
(Definitions provided by the Oxford English Dictionary)

And juxtaposition means "stuff being next to other stuff" (definition provided by my towering intellect)
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 9:38am
Is this ok yet?
 
 
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Quote soda Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 9:41am
I'm sorry to say, but no.  Like I said, add more contrast in the hat and face.  Shape the head better, maybe make a chin.  
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 9:50am
Don't worry about submitting this to the gallery. All you need to worry about right now is improving as an artist and learning some basic pixel techniques. Assume you will never submit this to the gallery and that it's just for practice. Take your time. Learn. Grow.
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 9:53am
OK, but you people are a tough crowd hows this i tried with the contrast not sure if its working or not and added a chin, i don't really thinki need to change the shape so i left it and added a chin, hows it look.
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Quote soda Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:03am


Heres a REALLY crappy edit I did in 4 mins, but theres the idea. 
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:03am
The shading is still practically invisible at 1x. Make your darks DARKER and make your brights BRIGHTER. Don't be scared. Go crazy with the light/dark.

EDIT: Soda posted while I was typing this. Look at his example! See how you can actually tell there are two different shades on the skin?

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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:05am
ok, i was scared of getting it wrong, i guess i'm still in the newb stage of pixelling i only starting a couple weeks ago (damn i'm rubbish) i just hope i get the hang of it.
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:23am
ok, i added another shade on the hat and face and put more Contrast in i think it looks alright now, still not changing the shape, i like how it is,it looks a little like south park's cartman, but i did'nt make it look like him so here it is:
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Quote soda Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:24am
It hasn't changed.  
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:27am
It has i have changed the shading on it and colours.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:29am
He's saying it has not changed perceptibly. Keep making your lights lighter and your darks darker.
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:35am
Damn this is hard, hows this:
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Quote soda Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:39am
He's too orange

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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:40am
Indeed he is, but let's not let this milestone pass unnoticed: Platnium, that shading is better.
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Quote soda Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:41am
It is.  
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:43am
ok, i will make him less orange.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:43am
Hooray! *confetti*

Now, ditch the harsh black outlines on his facial features and make his nose less bizarre.
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:59am
ok, then u think its submitable.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 10:59am
Originally posted by Hatch

Don't worry about submitting this to the gallery. All you need to worry about right now is improving as an artist and learning some basic pixel techniques. Assume you will never submit this to the gallery and that it's just for practice. Take your time. Learn. Grow.
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 11:05am
Yes i know but i think i put alot of hard work in so why not submit it and look now:
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 11:08am
He's even more orange and there's even less contrast. And his chin is still harsh black.
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 11:14am
So if i take out the orange and change the chins form black to the other and show you you say ok you think i can submit it.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 11:18am
No. Assuming you do all that, you should then put it in your "My Pixel Art" folder in C:\Documents\, reflect on what you've learned, start thinking about what you need to work on, and put all that thought towards your next practice piece.
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 11:21am
Ok, so if i make a man i will ise what i have learnt, ok this is my final peice no matter what i am adding no more, changing no more color, or any thing, i leave you with this.
 
first ever peice:
 
 
My final peice:
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Quote Blueberry_pie Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 11:24am
Platnium, instead of focusing on making this good enough for the PJ gallery, why not focus on making it great? You'll never improve much by always going for adequate. Art is about pushing your limits, it's not something you just try to get over with as quickly as possible.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 11:25am
Blueberry_pie said in three elegant sentences what I've been trying to say for the entire thread.
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Quote Kfuchoin Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 11:27am
that can be worked a lot more and i meand A LOT!
 
i don't think you want to submit that (wont be accepted)...
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 11:28am
ye ok well i'm already started making a new peice and i will not try making it good i will go for great and we will see what happens so until next time,
 
Thats all folks.
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Quote soda Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2007 at 1:22pm
I say keep going with this, It might turn out ok.  
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 17 July 2007 at 11:33am
Ok i will, you think i need to change the face color (again) becuase i don't want to do i just need to do alot of touch ups.
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Quote soda Replybullet Posted: 17 July 2007 at 6:56pm
I suggest starting all over, and showing your step by step process.  
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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 17 July 2007 at 7:05pm
I suggest pulling out some paper and pencils and just getting the basics of drawing down.   How old are you again?
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 18 July 2007 at 8:05am
I'm 13, any way i started again but i need some hair tutorials know any?
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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 18 July 2007 at 8:17am
Just google some. You're not that young, there's some things you'll have to do on your own, because even though we're really excited to help you, we won't baby you.  Now move your cursor up to the address bar and type in "google.com" and press enter.
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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 18 July 2007 at 8:48am
that's not a really good one.  Besides, the reason for looking it up yourself is that you see a variety, not just the first link you reach
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Quote Platnium Replybullet Posted: 18 July 2007 at 8:58am
Anyway i heard that people use photo shop 5/6 any one know a link to a free trial so i can see what its like.
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Quote Christopher Replybullet Posted: 18 July 2007 at 10:40am
Well when someone is using photoshop, the only advantages they should have shouldnt be anything overpowering any other drawing program, bceause that would make it non pixel art.
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