Chinese philosophers

Chinese philosophers

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Chinese philosophers



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Title: Chinese philosophers
Pixel Artist: CELS  (Level 7 Lotus :: 17476 points)
Posted: 6/25/2021 12:04
Statistics:  28 comments    9 faves    0 avatars

If you can name all six, you get a small trophy and much respect from the commoners.

Thanks to SaphireS, Cyangmou and elena for their help.

This was made with the palette from a piece by neofotistou, with some added colors (intentional and unintentional). Love her colors and style in pixel art, makes me happy. (In retrospect, I didn't really make the best use of this palette, should probably have picked different scenes. Oh well)

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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 7/5/2021 03:59

Sounds awesome! 


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 7/5/2021 03:44

I'm doing everything the same, so it could make a good looking set. The difference is that I took the palette straight from the piece you referred, and treating it ascetically (which gives me painful pleasure :P ), and I tried to copy your style of characters but that resulted in making them kinda my own - with more AA (not proud). Also characters will be recognisable more by their liking and clothing, unfortunately. The background or props will not add much to that. Animation is yet ahead of me.


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 7/5/2021 03:25

Really? I love the backgrounds. I just hate that it takes forever to animate. Are you using a similar format (150x150, animated, double outlines) or picking a different format and style? Or is it a surprise? I'm hyped. 


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 7/5/2021 03:20

I'm almost done with the Germans. Got all the characters. Hate doing backrounds though :|


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 7/4/2021 06:01

It's related to that but it was more specifically about the Book of Songs / Book of Odes, which Confucius used as a source of wisdom and discussed extensively with his disciples. Good guess, I guess the animation achieved its purpose. 


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 7/4/2021 05:41

Order in music and harmony is natural and comes from how the world is ordered, and this is how everything else should have order. If the music ordered by the rules sounds pleasant so does human life and social relations, politics, ethics etc. That's what i remembered at least.


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 7/4/2021 04:38

I suppose I'm not very fuzzy about it. The goal is more to have interesting collections of philosophers. I mean, Lao Tzu didn't even exist and there was no China as such when he is supposed to have lived. Today, if a public figure moves to an other country, it seems normal for both countries to celebrate that person. Both the US and Austria would probably count Arnold Schwarzenegger as one of their most popular actors. Sorry if that example is a bit low brow for you. 

One of the main goals is making people a bit curious too, so if it sparks some discussion about whether Aristotle was Greek or Macedonian, then that's all for the better. 

Btw, since you know a thing or two about Chinese philosophy, did you guess why there are musical notes above Confucius? Nobody has commented about that, so I'm wondering if anyone got the reference.


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 7/4/2021 04:22

Ok I have two questions:

1) If someone was born in country A but was working and publishing in country B, we consider that person an A philosopher or a B philosopher (in today's standards we would go with the country that person identifies with, and if identifies with both, than both picks would be good, but what is the right approach to historical figures, origin couts or citizenship during active time couts? What if someone changed that many times?). Or this simply doesn't matter and I can pick whatever I like?

2) If someone was a citizen of a country, that was huge that that time, over a territory of a different country? (I mean Hypatia in particular. Is she a Greek philosopher, or Egyptian philosopher?).


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 7/3/2021 17:17

@Mr_Hk_: They required more work than the others, so I'll take that as a good sign. Possibly. :) 


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Mr_Hk_ (Level 5 Sniper) @ 7/3/2021 10:51

The farmer and the prince are my favs !


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 7/1/2021 21:26

It's a deal! If you do Greeks and Germans, I'll do Romans and British. I tend to focus on philosophy of ethics and politics rather than epistemology, metaphysics or logic, but I welcome all forms of pixel philosophy. 


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 6/30/2021 14:07

I have no knowledge about Indian nor Japanese or Russian, wouldn't like to do British, Scottish, American and Italian, and found very hard to choose only 6 French. I knew something about Chinese but you got that covered.

I think I would be most comfortable with ancient Greece and Germans. Tough choice but doable. Wanted to do Austrians too - easy choice. And also could do Polish as bonus.


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 6/30/2021 12:59

For sure. Who do you like? Greeks? Stoics? Germans? Scots? 


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 6/29/2021 06:18

Are you going to add more? Ok so count me in on philosophers.


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 6/29/2021 05:34

You may have a better ability to judge what would be popular. I personally am on a quest to pixel philosophers right now. Gotta spread awareness. If there's room for that, I'm in. :)


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 6/28/2021 14:08

Ok so what about famous people from your country, (or representative, or soemthing like famous but also positive - some most famous people from particular countries are not worth to be represented in pixel art compilation), this would reach much wider interesant group.


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 6/28/2021 13:36

Haha, I should have included his mother. Mencius is correct! Might also have included a child drowning in a well. But the story is that he travelled around and tried to persuade different rulers to adopt his teachings. They generally told him to shove off, so he returned home. Similar to Confucius.

I love your idea for a project, although I must admit I am worried it might be of limited interest to others! Never the less, count me in! Might be a good chance to learn more.


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 6/28/2021 13:24

In my recognision, Confucius, Laozi, Zuanngzi and Sun Zi are most popular, so this is not a good hint for me but I will guess that it is Mencius as one of the most famous. Wasn't betting on him becasue there were nothing about mother on any picture :P Confucianism scholar - check. I didn't know he was a traveller, but aparently he was - check. I don't understand the GTFO, so please give me few words about that. 

Also, what do you think about making this a PJ project? We could collect people willing to participate in making similar compilation of 6 philosophers from Greece, India, Germany, France and British ones (at least those countries come to my mind first as biggest philosopher breeders, besides China). And of course anyone can join with their country, or country of their choosing 6 philosophers to make it more interesting and bigger pixel philosopher catalogue.

Use the same palette and format. 


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 6/28/2021 12:39

@gawrone: #3 and #5 is correct. I am impressed! #6 is one of the most famous of these 6, at least historically. He belongs to the same school as one of the others.  

The weird logic for #5 is Han Fei being put in prison by the king / emperor of Qin, head of an empire that has been connected with the water element (being the 5th empire).


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 6/28/2021 12:02

There was a traveling buddhist scholar philosopher Xuanzang? But I'm not very sure about this guess for 6th.


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 6/28/2021 11:55

5th is Han Fei - member of aristocracy (the prince) went to prison and was forced to drink poison! BAM! GOTTHA! 


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 6/28/2021 11:43

Ok so Mozi is 3th (becasue equality and love, ... and fortifications) :P
 


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 6/28/2021 11:21

@gawrone: Ah, great guesses! Now, to people who actually know a bit about Chinese philosophers, I should warn you that my illustrations don't necessarily make a lot of sense. For example, Mozi is represented here, but he's not a scholar. I didn't want him building fortifications, I wasn't inventive enough to squeeze that into 150x150 pixels.

3rd is not Sun Tzu, 4th is Laozi (he rode on a water buffalo, told the border guard that he was a farmer), 5th is not Zou Yan (it's not alchemy), 6th is not Mozi. So you guessed one right and you're free to figure out which one is Mozi according to my weird ass logic, if that interests you. 


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gawrone (Level 10 Cherry Pie) @ 6/28/2021 11:04

My picks:

3th - Sun Tzu;

4th - Xu Xing (becasue Agrarianism), or second bet is Laozi (becasue painting on bull);

5th - Zou Yan (becasue alchemy);

6th - Mozi (becasue school founder, traveller and fortification buildier). 


If I haven't guessed all, please let me play more :)


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 6/28/2021 05:32

@yuanhai: You've guessed correctly :) 


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 6/28/2021 05:31

@vrine: Thanks! Defender is my least favorite, so that's nice!


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yuanhai (Level 6 Blue Crab) @ 6/27/2021 19:21

Funny! Animation is very interesting. I may be a fake Chinese (just kidding :P). I can only guess that the first two are Confucius and Zhuangzi.


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vrine (Level 7 Neanderthal) @ 6/25/2021 19:07

I think the defender is my fave! Love them all though :)


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