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Title: Knight sketch 4
Pixel Artist: Onhore  (Level 2 Kappa :: 548 points)
Posted: 4/27/2024 06:33
Statistics:  5 comments    0 faves    0 avatars

Here noise is applied as a fabric texture as well as the shadow space of feathers. Noise creates an interesting natural texture while still being a uniform spot of color, so it is suitable for displaying similar fabrics.

The noise in the shadow of the feathers generalizes the shadow once again focusing our attention on the light part.

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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 4/29/2024 01:35

And you reported me? After you came here to call me unethical, for moderating? Sheer hubris.

But it is also hilarious. It's like reporting the train conductor, when you are caught riding without a ticket.


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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 4/27/2024 10:25

This is getting out of hand. Now you are saying I'm unethical, because I wish to maintain the standard of a gallery. And you both imply that im imagining rules by myself as they are important only to me personally. You are also manipulating by implying that I've started this "discussion", while it was exactly the opposite, (Onhore could just say "ok, I'll apply revisions", or "ok, I will skip this artwork and post only cleaner ones". Instead he started arguing why we are wrong). And you play "you are so offended" card again.

Dear Thu. You cannot just walk into this situation, say what you think to me, and forbid me the chance of answering. That would be a very unpolite thing to do. If you don't wish to participate in a discussion, than don't answer, or don't enter it at all. You cannot decide who is allowed to talk and who is not.

What you are trying to do here is to protect the integrity of an artwork of your protege. This is a very noble thing to do. Except it doesn't need any protection, because nobody is attacking it. This is clearly a practice piece and asking for a revision of a practice piece does not constitute an attack on an artistic freedom of expression, but simply a polite attempt at helping a fellow pixel artist to meet the criteria of a gallery. But even if it is not a practice piece presented to other artists for critique or evaluation, there still would be nothing wrong or unethical about asking for revisions. If an artist doesn't agree with the suggestions, than they take the piece and walk away. 

Let me clear this one last time:

It is very unethical and very not polite to demand from a gallery to accept your piece, when it does not meet the criteria of that gallery, and then starting a discussion about how the declared standards of that gallery are wrong and should be changed so the piece can be accepted. 

There is nothing unethical or rude about giving an alternative to such situarion, which is:

1) edit your piece so it fits the gallery profile (which I said 99% artists find completely normal. Calling it unethical is just another level of auto-victimisation).

2) not posting the piece in that gallery but only in galleries with more open profiles. Starting an argument about it, and even calling for reinforcements in that fight is just unbelievable. 

If you both can't accept this simple thing, and now even are trying to present me as a villain than I really don't know what to do. Maybe I will have to call for reinforcements myself 


 


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Thu (Level 3 Litter) @ 4/27/2024 09:02

Hello, gawrone. I did not want to participate in that "discussion" that I have read on previous Andrei's artwork.

But I think it is at least not polite to ask an artist to remove things from his canvas just to fit something. It is okay to say "no we wont post something because of that or this rule". But you are explaining that it is an easy thing to do to remove colors that you consider unneccesary, which is insanely unethical.

You want something that is not yours to be changed and pushing an artist to edit his artwork to fit your vision, your standard, your understanding of "tradition". I feel this is a wrong thing to do.

That's all that I want to leave there, please don't start another "discussion" with me, please. Thank you


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Onhore (Level 2 Kappa) @ 4/27/2024 08:58

Hello, I hope you didn't find our previous correspondence offensive, if so, I apologize! I didn't mean to offend you.

Yes if I wanted to do it without noise, I would certainly do it, but I need a certain effect and to achieve it you need to experiment with this kind of things, maybe later the colors in the noise will be less, if there will be such a need. But to spoil the work and stack a certain amount of colors intentionally I do not want to, because I have done enough of this before.

Here I post the work because I think I do not violate the rules of PJ, because I consider the means convincing, you can call it rebellion, and I can control the palette and colors at work and it can be seen from the work: each individual color serves a purpose and expresses some spot, and noise always expresses a separate cluster of many unimportant colors.

I don't want to violate my own principles, so let's just agree that you will reject my work if you think that noise is used unconvincingly and accept it if you think otherwise.

Thank you for your work!
 


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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 4/27/2024 08:18

These are two phenomenal examples of noise usage in pixel art: a piece with 19 colours and a piece with 13 colours. You can definitely achieve your declared artistic goals of presenting fabric with the use of noisy technique, without hundreds of colours, and with full compliance with the requirement of palette management. Therefore, having 300 individual colours on a piece that looks like it has less than 30 (where 90% of them are almost identical) is not justified enough. You were not forced by formal limitations to break that rule to be able to achieve your desired artistic goal because you were perfectly capable of doing so within the boundaries of PJ consensus. You used a different colour for almost every pixel, and here is a visual proof: an imgur link.

You claim that I made you look like a rebel, yet you are trying to use the Force again. You claim that you came here to learn not to fight, yet your actions prove otherwise. I accepted your piece as a gesture of good will, because I do that often. Most pixel artists say, "Okay, I will pay more attention to that aspect next time." And they do. You, instead of trying to reciprocate, are apparently exploiting my lapse of judgement as a treshold to check how far we can bend next time and came back with the "now I'm going to show them" attitude piece. As following I'm fully expecting to get a bunch of arguments about how our rules are wrong and how I don't know anything, exalted lectures about thrivial things, whole paragraphs filled with manipulations, projections, or insults, and when confronted with your behaviour, you will start the gaslighting and use the "why are you doing this to me, I only wanted to talk nicely, and you are just offended that I pixel differently and know more than you" card. This is not how a nice exchange of arguments and attempt at learning looks like. If I misread your intentions, I'm very sorry, but I really hope that you can see, that you (voluntary or not) made very little room for favourable interpretation.

I don't want to send you away because I see that you will most certainly become a great pixel artist. But I'm not going to accept such a piece again because it would send a discouraging message to all artists who work hard on their colour recycling skills and practice colour reduction on their artworks. So, if you will not at least try to meet us half way and edit that piece by unifying at least some of the almost identical colours, it will remain in revision state as an example.


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