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Title: néant
Pixel Artist: sondre  (Level 1 Thug :: 395 points)
Posted: 9/16/2007 09:32
Palette: 172 colors
Statistics:  34 comments    29 faves    0 avatars

For the 2004 breakpoint gfx compo.

Works in progress:

ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2004/breakpoint04/grfx/freestyle/neant.zip

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dragonrc (Level 4 Deputy) @ 12/23/2007 07:10
Hmm, I'm not going to vote yes or no for this one cause I don't know what is right. This just doesn't feel like pixel art to me, it is hard to believe this is mady purely by hand and if it is you can consider this as a compliment because you have some serious skills.
But to me it doesn't really matter if it is all done by hand or not, it just doesn't seem in the right place here. Maybe that is because this is a new and much more realistic style, maybe even a new style of pixel art (if it indeed is pixel art).
Don't get me wrong, I love this piece, but to me it seems to be better in place on DeviantART for example.

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Fel (Level 4 Ensign) @ 12/22/2007 13:18

Where can I possibly find a working version of Amiga Brilliance?


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Marina (Level 9 Necrophiliac) @ 12/19/2007 09:34
It's really AWESOME
Why is not approved yet? O.o

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mooology_22@hotmail.com (Level 1 Thug) @ 12/10/2007 14:05
why is this not on yet?

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mk ex (Level 1 Jukyu) @ 12/9/2007 10:30
this is so cool good work man

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ultima (Level 2 Hired Gun) @ 11/27/2007 11:05
ommfg man thats so cool

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JerryPie (Level 11 Big Foot) @ 11/25/2007 15:18
very amazing style man.. just to many colors

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sondre (Level 1 Thug) @ 11/22/2007 08:43

I did.

Not exactly from top left corner to bottom right, the image evolved through many stages, and I redrew parts of it many times. But at some point every pixel has been placed by a 1 pixel size brush put down by a click of the mouse.


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punyek (Level 1 Thug) @ 11/22/2007 07:20
erm.. did you draw this picture pixel by pixel?

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sondre (Level 1 Thug) @ 11/21/2007 10:32

Thanks a lot for you comment man, it warms an old pixel heart.

I think I will just leave the pictures here, even if they aren't accepted. This approval thing isn't really that much of a big deal I think. To me it's more important that I can actually show them to people, and hopefully that they like what they see.

I used paintbrush and dpaint a bit as a kid, but I only used brilliance since 95, my fav prog ever. I've been trying some promotion, but I'm not really into it yet, looks nice (brilliance in uae is a bit of a hassle). But these days I haven't really got the time for serious pixeling anyway.


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dakael (Level 5 Killer Klown) @ 11/19/2007 12:33
Cheetah, thank Gods, you came here!

Your works for demoscene are simply amazing, all Ephidrena works were much better beacuse of your graphics. They are so intense, melancholic, simply - masterpieces. But... sadly, there's no place for works like these here. Why? Well... Because of strict rules. And because if your technique is too good it's so damn hard to believe for all these infidels that you could simply pixel it. I have no doubts, but plenty of these people do. I also had a problems with that. And in my opinion it's not worth to bother with all these moanings. I simply deleted entries which were "problematic" from PJ. What will you do? It depends on your mental strength to defend yourself ;-)

Afterall... you are one of my favourites on Amiscene. Thumbs up!

One question: which tool you used and use now? Brilliance?

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Equilibrix (Level 5 Captain) @ 11/15/2007 08:12
Brilliant! One of the greatest pixel arts here!

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PJB21 (Level 2 Dealer) @ 11/12/2007 04:14
this is an amazing piece, it looks very nice, the textures are great and the colours work very well. it must take very long to properly pixel these, and the colour countsfor them all is very high, but it works nicely.

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sondre (Level 1 Thug) @ 10/30/2007 05:59

outside the bib bru

well, it feels more like the end than the beginning of my pixel art career though. but hopefully I will make some more stuff when I find the time and motivation for it. (more offtopic)


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buloght (Level 6 Centaur) @ 10/30/2007 01:01
Yes, I am from sa :), a student here too at Stellenbosch, I had nothing to do with pixelated recycle bin? Don't know anything about that, where is that? You are student from overseas? I for one hope that you submit some more work here too, in pixel art pure form, Fool's first pic wasn't pure pixel art, and look at him now :)

(sorry for offtopic)

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sondre (Level 1 Thug) @ 10/23/2007 08:29

cool. are you from sa? did you have anything to do with the pixeled recycle bin?


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buloght (Level 6 Centaur) @ 10/22/2007 23:52
I just so happen to be one too :)

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greenraven (Level 2 Hired Gun) @ 10/21/2007 11:25
Still here, kinda sad really.

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sondre (Level 1 Thug) @ 10/20/2007 07:30
well, yes, kind of.

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buloght (Level 6 Centaur) @ 10/20/2007 06:07
Wait, you are a Matie??    

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sondre (Level 1 Thug) @ 10/16/2007 02:38

Hehe, well, actually I think slayer's picture is pixeled. You can even see how he forgot to aa a couple of places. My point is that it's just not that special, I think the use of colours is a bit flat. But it's not really difficult to pixel something like that.

Again, I'm infinitely grateful when people like my pictures and give good comments. Being a student now, I don't have that much time to do pixelstuff (and living in africa I prefer travelling when I have some time off). The pictures I posted so far, except my little avatar, were all done a while ago. I made them primarily for demoscene compos or to be used in ephidrena demos. So I'm not particularly trying to satisfy the pixeljoint audience. I basically thought it could be a good opportunity to share my work with like-minded people (and mind you I don't meet that many people into pixel gfx anymore). So bear with me if my style is a bit off the pixeljoint mainstream, but that's just what I like (and I have posted some low-colour stuff aswell).

Oh, and if you want you could always ask cyclone if he thinks my stuff is pixeled :)


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The B.O.B. (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 10/15/2007 16:10
   Many pixel artists know of Cyclone's work, mind you. He's one of my fav' demosceners. But to reemphasize the point, this is hard for most of us to judge if it is indeed what we believe to be true pixel art. Once again, I love this piece. The colors,  tradition old portrait type face, and the designs. It's just that it really, really, really, really borders the line of pixel art and digital art. Some areas of the piece look like they were hand pixeled: this I agree with. But others still have computer-like touch ups, that me, and to be frank, most pixelers find it hard to accept.
   The reason why Slay's piece is there is because at the time of it's submission, pixeljoint wasn't exactly too knowledgeable or strict on grooming others to understand pixelart. In my opinion, I'd leave it in the gallery as well, as taking it out, after it's been there for long would kind of be pointless now.(though, I will admit it doesn't seem to be hand pixeled very much...we're not blind, ya' know : P )
   However, I'd also like to say, that Cheetah/Sondre's work is NOT crap by a longshot. I would rather he tried submitting pixel art more closer to it's origins rather than branching off into it's more flashier sub-categories, as I'm sure it will be grand....

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sondre (Level 1 Thug) @ 10/6/2007 09:14
haha, I was reading the comments on that one. In my eyes it's a midrange pixel piece in demoscene terms, but these guys go absolutely crazy about it. I wonder what they would think about some of the good old scene graphicians, such as ra, cyclone, made or something. Or lazur, that guy was completely nuts (even though his proportions were always distorted).

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tomic (Level 11 Admiral) @ 10/6/2007 08:04

c'mon guys.. it's about time to accept it!!

i mean, this here made it to the all of fame frontpage, why so now so picky?


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K.s (Level 2 Hired Gun) @ 9/28/2007 12:06
man, i really love the texture of your pieces, the colors are awesome, they all look splendid.  

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Hapiel (Level 11 Pixellite) @ 9/19/2007 09:26
Pixel art means made pixel by pixel isnt it?? So if this is made pixel by pixel,  and quality work, the color count isnt that important any more!
Its great work!

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Varock Shade (Level 7 Underboss) @ 9/19/2007 08:51
Spartan, it's not only in the colour count; pieces like this one prove that PA can contain a lot of colours... And when i look at the other work you have waiting for approval, you can see the PA elements easier, and although it would be really hard to make a piece with these techniques, i think it is a PA...

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tomic (Level 11 Admiral) @ 9/17/2007 12:58

i remember having seen working stages for a piece of him not listed here yet (ungen something) and i remember that it looked quite plausible to me (..and blow me out of the water btw =)


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The B.O.B. (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 9/17/2007 08:27

   It's not a certain style that they have to be. To be honest a lot of Demoscene folks have a hard time transitioning their pieces to the Pixel Joint gallery, as most of our members have a slightly different view or take on what Pixel art is: Creating digital art using simple pixel programs as long as each pixel placed is with complete control. Here's a better definition from pixelation.wayofthepixel.net's FAQ's list: " Pixel Art is a discipline by which images are created with pixel-level intent or precision. It is more than an end product - It is a methodology focusing on techniques such as hand drawn dithering, anti-aliasing, shading, animation, geometry, and some color theory." (by the way I'm not trying to belittle your knowledge of pixel art, as I'm sure you could blow me and many others out of the water with your talent.)

   Demoscene pixel art is very hard to judge as some users tend to use automatic controls like Auto-AA, Auto-Dither, Indexing, and what not. Basically we frown on the use of machines taking over CONTROL of the piece, rather than the hand taking of the piece itself. Also, a lot of people here come from the background that pixel art restrictions are key, and help develop technicality in this digital art form, where as most demoscene works seem to feel more free in their limit to color count, and other things as well. Though, that's not to say that the less colors there are, or more restrictions, the greater the piece will be! That would be utter non-sense.

   Sadly, you're not the first to have his art  questioned. I did recieve your pm, though, but the links didn't work after I compressed the zip files. Must be my firewall at the work place. I'll see when I get home if I could take a look at them, and see the wips to determine it's complete integrity.(Though it's best and easier to just post the links of the wips in the description, I'll still go ahead and pass them along to the mods and admins for second opinions, if you don't mind...)

   In either case, I hope this doesn't hinder you in submitting more pixel art to Pixeljoint.com in the near future, as I'm sure you'll get the gist of what our general perspective of pixel art is(if still confused, just check out the "Pixel Art: Hall of Fame" section on the main page to see what folks around here generally accept, and find most pleasing to the eyes.), and what madness we speak of. : )


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sondre (Level 1 Thug) @ 9/17/2007 07:21

Sorry, I don't really understand what the criteria for "qualifying" can be. But my pictures are hand-pixeled and they use a maximum of 256 colours and low resolution. What other criteria are there? Do they have to be a certain style or something?

Anyway, it makes me very happy you like them.


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Jiwestone (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 9/17/2007 06:53
Don`t know if this will qualify, but it`s certainly a beautiful piece of work anyway. By far the strongest of the work you have submitted. If this were a real painting, I would seriously consider putting this on my wall. I really like it.

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spartan_117 (Level 4 Lieutenant) @ 9/17/2007 06:00
i agree with B.O.B even though when i zoom in i see some pixel art elements but ur work has too many colors and it might not qualify .

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tomic (Level 11 Admiral) @ 9/17/2007 01:24
cheetah! welcome

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The B.O.B. (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 9/16/2007 12:41
This is by far my favorite piece of yours. However, I'm not sure this qualifies as Pixel art, at least here at this website. Maybe if you could provide a WIP of some of these pieces, your transition of letting the pieces into the gallery might be easier for you.(pm the admins, or mods for more info...)

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