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Title: a Study of who done it...
Pixel Artist: Darth Mandarb  (Level 10 Operative :: 17772 points)
Posted: 2/22/2008 20:50
Statistics:  40 comments    9 faves    0 avatars

For the weekly challenge ... which I don't normally enter but this idea came to me and I wanted to do it.  So here it is ...

6-8 hours total

I didn't worry AT ALL about palette so there's no need to comment on too many colors.  I wanted to use that many colors because I don't see the point of limitted palettes.  It does have only 256 colors because that's what happens when you save it as a 256 color GIF file.

No references were used ... it was just pixeled from scratch.

Hope you enjoy it.

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sharprm (Level 4 Deputy) @ 2/18/2009 23:10
The door lock is out of perspective ... my god! We are dealing with some kind of criminal mastermind! Anyway I really like the idea ... I don't mind the colors ... some shading is out of wack eg. tree but i see that alot in iso art. My big crit is readability - I can't even see the revolver ... the cigarette looked like a belt in the beginning, I thought maybe there was a burlesque dancer (neck scarf thing left behind) and this was some sordid thing going on with the liquid filled balloon and somehow the chair got sent backwards during this act and he hit his head on the window. Could you please post a link to the challenge rules and the solution? Also kudos for being so level headed in the face of pixel fanaticism.

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Cleb's (Level 1 Thug) @ 11/8/2008 18:03
Ah ah, exellent ! Nice job man ^^

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Darth Mandarb (Level 10 Operative) @ 3/1/2008 18:57
PixelKiwi - Thanks!  I try to get in as much pixel-ing as I can but these days it's harder and harder!  Thanks for the kind words!

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PixelKiwi (Level 5 Soldier) @ 3/1/2008 18:09
The kittens Elwin! Look at the kittens!

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Elwin (Level 5 Sniper) @ 3/1/2008 13:41
Really, darth, I'm 13, and I in fact think I act more mature than you have done in some of your comments. Calling people nazi's just because they give you critic (This was BEFORE MrMister commented, and no, I'm not trying to justify that his comments were so harsh, and not mature at all either.) But, in fact, you started being inmature, so don't blame all kids on pixeljoint: "I'm guessing it's probably an age thing ... lots of kids here." So anyone under the age of 18 are idiots? I sincerely apologize, but that one's not gonna stand long. I haven't attacked you yet. It's a great scene, but if you would stop acting immature and listen to those that are actually just giving you critic, unlike MrMister, and get that color count down, it would be good. If you're gonna call me immature, do it. I'd lose nothing but what's left of my respect of you.

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PixelKiwi (Level 5 Soldier) @ 3/1/2008 09:58
This all got rather heated didn't it.

Nice idea, and nice pixelation. As for the colours, I'm sure you could have made something identical with less.
Having said that, it's your choice of how many you want to use.

I hope to see more of your work. =)

As for the people complaining,  go look at some pictures of kittens or something and cool off.

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jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) @ 2/25/2008 10:30
Behave Mr.Mister!

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MrMister (Level 1 Depressed) @ 2/25/2008 08:37
thats really painful to hear that and look at a Study of who done it... at the same time
almost brain breaking

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Dra_chan (Level 8 Shodan) @ 2/24/2008 22:06
I used the first words that came to my mind when I read your comments.. Nobody was attacking you and you reacted the way you did. The file format changed the colors, we get the point, but how hard can it be to re-save the file from the psd? Then you say limited palettes are not your style, and you won't please the omg color naziz!  then you repeat that the fileformat did it. Decide already. And people telling you how to make your piece more according to the pixel art standards is constructive.

Your drawing itself was not attacked either,and I think it's good, it was just a pixel art technisism getting in the way, that could have been easily solved if you were more open to what people has to say. Please relax and enjoy the site, I can assure you that between some harsh comments here and there you will find pretty useful feedback to grow as a pixel artist.

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Bob_Jones (Level 2 Peon) @ 2/24/2008 20:18
MrMister, why don't you try to improve your own work instead of wasting time insulting someone who is better than you?

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PresidentLeever (Level 1 Rookie) @ 2/24/2008 13:46
best entry so far, not a big fan of the palette though, seems like more brown shades could spice it up a bit.

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PixelSpy (Level 5 Captain) @ 2/24/2008 08:07

Why not just fix the palette and end the arguing?

 

 


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Opacus (Level 7 Ichikyu) @ 2/24/2008 03:59
Fav for justice!

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blastedhero (Level 1 Rookie) @ 2/24/2008 03:21
MrMister sure knows his pixels, he made an entirely black blob using only 9 colours....
http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/29199.htm

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sedgemonkey (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 2/24/2008 01:53
Everyone needs to cool off and move along.  All this negativity isn't doing anyone any good.

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MrMister (Level 1 Depressed) @ 2/24/2008 01:09
stooooop stop stop stop you broke the rules you lying backpedaling weirdo

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Darth Mandarb (Level 10 Operative) @ 2/23/2008 23:44
ProgZ - Thanks for the constructive criticism (here and elsewhere).  Skin tones are something I've always struggled with!

Dra chan - did you really use the phrase emo crybaby?  Your reply just solidified the second point I made in my long post.  I didn't call everybody pathetic and color nazis, just the pathetic color nazis.  I don't need sugar coated comments, but there is a big difference between constructive (even harsh constructive) criticism and some of the attitudes that some people on here display.  Just because you don't see it, doesn't make it less the case.

Also ... though I highly doubt anybody cares (as I don't much care anymore) ...

I opened the PSD file I used to create this and for some reason a few of the layers had been set to 90% transparent.  That's where the high number of colors came from.  I could repost the original without all the extra colors but I think it's a moot point.

And just to clarify ... I do understand the points people make about limited palettes.  It's not the idea of limited palettes that really bothers me, it's the piss-poor attitudes some people here display and in how they deal with people's pixels that they don't like.  I'm guessing it's probably an age thing ... lots of kids here.

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ProgZmax (Level 1 Depressed) @ 2/23/2008 22:56
I like what you've done here!  As I mentioned elsewhere, though, I think the skin tone looks a little 'weird' to my eye -- like silly putty or something.  I'd go for an ashier, pink-orange-grey for a dead person.  I like the little details and such, so you have done well!

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Dra_chan (Level 8 Shodan) @ 2/23/2008 22:30
If people don't like my work because it has a lot of colors that's just pathetic.  I'm not going to change the way I pixel to appease the color nazis.  Limited palettes are not my style and I'm not going to use them.

Do you realize that the one that began being an ass was you? The comments you received weren't even harsh (maybe just mrMister's but you began being an emo crybaby before his post) they were just pointing out the high color count, which in true pixel art it means that you didn't choose every color of the final piece yourself. Instead of trying to understand everybody's point, you go calling everybody pathetic and nazis, maybe you are one of those people that just love sugarcoated comments. Respect to who respect deserves.

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Darth Mandarb (Level 10 Operative) @ 2/23/2008 21:12
Thank you for continuing to prove my point.

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MrMister (Level 1 Depressed) @ 2/23/2008 21:05
lol man. like i said. earn some respect by not making (unironically)pretentious comments like that and not using the spray can

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Darth Mandarb (Level 10 Operative) @ 2/23/2008 20:59
Thank you for proving my point so eloquently.

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MrMister (Level 1 Depressed) @ 2/23/2008 20:57
i give your essay a d+
prof. pwn's class is in session
darsh mandork where do you get off criticizing people for being mean
my comment was plenty constructive for the community as a whole(trying to get your pixel out of it) but you as a person don't deserve my critiques and godly pixel prowess
by not defending substandard pixels you could earn some respect but no you dont get any until then

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Darth Mandarb (Level 10 Operative) @ 2/23/2008 20:56
I am not, in the slightest, offended by "constructive" criticism.  I have been showing "art" my entire life; both professional and on a hobby level.  I can take constructive criticism (and appreciate it).

I know there are "rules" here and this is not my site, hence posting here I must adhere to the rules.  That's fine, I get that and respect it.

What I don't get, and will not tolerate are snotty attitudes.  And yes, my work posted here is generally well received ... it's the general attitude I see posted in everybody's work.  It's not constructive, it's offensive.  For an example read the mature post by mrmister a few down.  I don't think anybody will interpret that as "helpful" and/or "constructive".  It's childish and ignorantly offensive.

Jalonso I respect.  You reply with courtesy.  Even when/if you think a piece is crap you express that like an adult and make your points constructively (as is in perfect evidence by your comment below!)  Sadly there are far too many who post like the one below and I've received messages and emails from other posters on here who have said "this is why I never post here anymore" or "this is why I'm done with this place".  It's really sad for 2 reasons.  1) a community for pixel art is such a great idea and chasing off members is unfortunate because people just want to share their art. and 2) I know that no matter how much I explain this; the people that make the comments that generated this from me will never get the point I'm trying to make or even if they do they wouldn't admit it.

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MashPotato (Level 7 Underboss) @ 2/23/2008 20:46
Nice scene setup, and I particularly like the marble-y tiles   If you'd like a small suggestion, I think it would look nice if you added a little bit of aa to the "Clue" logo, as it seems a little bit jagged compared to the rest of the font, which does have aa.

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jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) @ 2/23/2008 20:08
I am sensing too much emotion here:
Darth, for the most part Pixeljoint members are not snobs, elitist or like to complain. Believe it or not most come here to see great pixelart, be inspired, learn from others and enjoy the art of pixelart. The esthetics of any piece is actually irrelevant here. Its cool when its artistic but pixelart while it is art is more than anything a technique driven art style. I am aware of you and your work. I have seen you get better over time. Both your pixelling techniques as well as your art. This here is a great scene with all the right stuff. Nothing below this comments complaints about that.

Outside this site many, including myself make hybrid pixelart. Nothing is wrong with this. In commercial projects, it happens all the time. I assure you that the Admin group here are not 'nazis'. We adhere to the philosopy that keeping standards very tight when it comes to pixel techniques accomplishes many things at once. First, it shows those that are new to the medium to learn proper habits. It forces those not new to keep polishing their skills. Because we are all into pixelart here and most zoom in so see the pixelwork on the pixel level, it separates the boys from the men if you will. Again, we want to be impressed. Above all good pixelling habits leads to better pixelart and thus better hybrids. Using hand pixelled opacity layers is in fact a reasonable thing to the casual viewer not into pixelart. We all know this can be achieved with opaque controlled pixels. Yes, it takes more time, yes its a pain in the ass to struggle with palettes, yes it ends up looking the same-ish. This is not the point however. Would fool's work be respected as much if he used opacities and out of control color palettes. Its not necessarily that his pictures are always pretty, or that the subject matter even matters sometimes (We arn't all Russians well versed in every folk story ever told there). Its when you zoom in and get blown away seeing the magic of two well chosen pixels together creating something amazing.

So you have nothing to be bothered or offended by. You simply have understand that this gripe over color counts is not an artistic attack. It's a technique thang. You have been part of PJ long enough to be fully aware that 90% of the bad is always pixelart technique related. With pixelart as well as any other art, half the people will like it and the other half won't. This is unavoidable. However a poor techniques are never desired and that anyone has taken time to write and express themselves on your piece is a show of goodwill regardless of how it reads. I read many comments here that are explaining their views. One used a image, jeez...

...Just visited your entire gallery and read every single thing ever said to you here by us 'meanies':
20 pixels total
1 pixel has 2 comments about color palette abuse (one by me :)
2 comments are marginally bad ( 1 about some jagginess 1 about needing AA)
18 are full of great compliments, raves, welcomes and <3

That you don't use opacities in your work for the most part, that you pixel really well and make cool pixelart, all I can say is this here pixelart is below the standard you have set for yourself and it should be you that are most critical of this piece.
jal

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leel (Level 5 Killer Klown) @ 2/23/2008 19:27
If you're gonna try to break the most widely accepted 'philosophy' of pixel joint, at least do it well.  You haven't proved the point that more colors helped you make a better piece.  The whole thing looks messy and while it's a relatively nice piece the fact still remains that you can't hide poor pixel techniques behind a ridiculous amount of colors. 

I can't even see where you WOULD use that many... I could count 16.. 20 colors at the most, where the hell did you come up with 256?   I don't know how these things work, but if it's exactly 256 just because you saved it as gif, that is NOT acceptable. 

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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 2/23/2008 18:08
as far as I know, a limited palette doesn't make a style. yet a wise use of colors IS one of the keyfactors in pixelart. and with wise i mean control over each tone, wich in this case isn't 100% real. what you state in the description is that the image displays only 256 colors because saving it under the GIF formar limited it, so if you uploaded the original or a PNG version the color count would easily go over that sum. That in my opinion does not really sound as "control".

here's the palette:

it does not take too much time to figure that almost half of the colors there were not preciselly put by hand control. unless you placed one shade, sligthy changed the RGB values, use it, and then again change it. that, or you were extremely lazy to use the color picker of your graphic software, or you directly used an NPA tool. skill manipulating small color ramps? c'mon. where. the size of the canvas isn't a reason-excuse for the abuse of the colors in any circumstance. i wouldn't use fool's last piece as an example, but this piece in your gallery ironically is the best example.

Darth, what everyone here is discussing is not agaisnt your work or you, so do not make it personal. please.

P.S: WTF is wrong with you people? at one point you're complaining agaisnt noobs that waste colors in their pieces, and now you're saying that a 256 color pixel is fine? I thinks that's a very hipocritical attitude. you kids are being blinded by the first shinny thign you see

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MrMister (Level 1 Depressed) @ 2/23/2008 18:04
looks extremely spray painted and isn't well pixeled, it also looks like you used alpha transparency, even if you dont take into account the retarded colour count this piece of garbage should never have been accepted
mrmister bringin the hard pixel truths

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littlesapphire (Level 5 Rokkyu) @ 2/23/2008 17:10
I'm going to have to agree with both Darth and Ceddo.  Small pallets are good sometimes, but when you have a complicated scene, a larger pallet is hard to avoid, especially if you're not used to restricting yourself.  I see no problem with it. 

I do see some problems with the arms, though.  They look really stiff and unnatural.  They should bend at the elbow, I'm thinking, especially since they're not flat on the desk.  Still, really neat piece.  I love the texture on the floor.  Don't let everyone else get you down.

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ceddo (Level 7 Ichikyu) @ 2/23/2008 16:51
I agree with Darth. The piece clearly shows skill in manipulating small color ramps so even if the colorcount is high due to many ramps for different elements in the piece what's all the fuss about?

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Darth Mandarb (Level 10 Operative) @ 2/23/2008 12:06
If people don't like my work because it has a lot of colors that's just pathetic.  I'm not going to change the way I pixel to appease the color nazis.  Limited palettes are not my style and I'm not going to use them.

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DeProgrammer (Level 7 Underboss) @ 2/23/2008 09:57
Here's the GIF's palette. Why don't you download my ColorCounter, use it to get the full palette, choose the best shades by hand, and fix the colors, so some people don't have as much reason to dislike your work? :)

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PixelSpy (Level 5 Captain) @ 2/23/2008 08:00
Colors aside, I like what you did with the piece.  Especially the clues left behind

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JerryPie (Level 11 Godfather) @ 2/23/2008 07:27
There is an over use of color in this image. Other than that, I would say try to work on the cracks in the window, try to make them look less spider-webby. Also where is the light source coming from, a few of the shadows aren't in sync with each other. Pretty good job over all!

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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 2/23/2008 07:15
He used more than 256 colors, wich were only limited by the fact that he saved the piece as GIF. or else, he would waste 16million colors if he could.
now, i know that the challenge itself is restrictionless, but above that pixejoint's rule about colors should be enought reason to dis-allow this pice from the gallery.

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Darth Mandarb (Level 10 Operative) @ 2/23/2008 05:59
Would this LIFE THREATENING color issue be better resolved and soften the terrible blow if I re-uploaded it as a PNG?

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Elwin (Level 5 Sniper) @ 2/23/2008 05:19
Not really surt, he said that it was 256 colors because he saved as a 256 colors GIF... :)

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Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 2/23/2008 05:19
So saving it as a gif made it 256? than you did not select all the colors yourself!

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surt (Level 11 Godfather) @ 2/22/2008 23:08
If you didn't worry about colours at all it seems very strange that you should end up with exactly 256.

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