I like the idea of Discord adding a forum feature. Aside from forums being a better format for archiving information, I think that they are less intimidating for those of us who are very introverted and/or shy. I just hope they do a better job of it than the threads feature because I agree that is terrible.
I can see that the difference is largely psychological, but a forum feels less immediate than chat in a way that is less stressful.
Thanks for linking to Helm's YouTube, CELS. I had no idea that was a thing and I had a great time watching a couple of his cluster studies. Reading his critiques on Pixelation back in my lurking days was hugely inspirational and informative.
You should post more! We're always happy to see more Mathias pieces.
Oh they are.
https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/6208479917079-Forum-Channels-FAQ
Interesting. We shall see.
They're working on a new forum feature, I hope that improves it all a bit, but it still wont be as searchable and archivable as the old internet forums...
Discord? What's that? I tried to disco once. It didn't work.
nah nah keep them long rants comin'
Yyyyep it's all Discord now. I know.
Unfortunately, like you point out, Discord is a here-and-now type platform. Nobody wants to scroll up through the mire of old conversations. Whereas on a forum there can be multiple spotlights cast on as many topics as needed, Discord can only accommodate one focus per channel, at a time. Great for current chat, terrible for organized archiving.
(the recently added Threads feature kinda sucks and doesn't really help)
Taking a step back and viewing the whole situation, it may largely just be the reality of internet culture shift - the shiny new twitter era. Short, fast, convenient content bites in a lightweight fast interface is now the norm, and phpbb forums feel ancient.
May the darkness consume us, amen.
i should just shuddup and post something new. you've certainly been popping off lately, CELS. awesome work man!
Realistically, I think the only option that makes sense is to ensure that there's a good community for critique and cooperation on Discord. It seems to be the only arena where different generations (X, Z, etc) have a reasonable chance of interacting.
On Discord, veterans like ink, Morganne, HDMD, Weerdmeester, Korban, etc, ask for and offer feedback. Not the same dynamic of the legendary Pixelation threads, partially because it's chat vs forum, but far better than any real alternatives I'm aware of.
Shame about Pixelation, but skilled feedback is necessary for quality posts and IIRC SeinRuhe has been more or less keeping it going single-handedly (others contributing in periods) and that's not sustainable. The heart and soul of Pixelation, IMO, was skilled artists willing to spend hours teaching others. (And even less skilled artists, daring to offer feedback too!) Anyway, that's a long rant. I'll get off my soapbox. 
Edit: Also, shout out to Helm for this video, which has some of that Pixelation spirit.
Good thoughts! I agree with all that.
And so due to the points you lined out, the quality of content greatly suffers, I think.
Quality of the content is what makes you want to go to pretty much any site, right?
The heart and soul of Pixelation was always the critique subforum and the interactions that happened there (I personally owe a LOT to it).
For a long time now, in my opinion the average quality of posts is really low - i.e. "How can I improve my character?" And the posted character looks like it was drawn in 9 seconds. etc etc
I 100% wouldn't be into pixel art if it weren't for Pix (while I havent posted new junk here in a while, I've been working on an unnannounced pixel game for last two years).
still down, hope it comes back. Or maybe it's time to can it. dont know.
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I would assume it's just the wrong format to attract the younger generation, and the older generation moved on to other things (professional work, kids, drugs). I also wonder if there's a global shift towards individual learning through observation rather than collective learning through cooperation and sharing advice. Partially because you can just Google and YouTube everything.
Good times back when Pixelation was the place to be. My post count is over 1k.
Does ptoing no longer own it?
It seems to have gradually declined into obsolescence. I wonder why that is.
Might be worth asking Dan Fessler on Twitter, at this point.
Any of ye have any idea if Pixelation might be coming back up? It's been down for a while.
except the question was the oldest active member, and I'd say it's probably TheSarge
@moondrome
Glad to see that you are still active!
Would be happy to see more works from you, welcome back!
Yes Irena, as you said age shouldn't really matter :) now is time to make some good pixel art. I need to find a computer screen first 🤣
Hmmm, I'm not sure who is the oldest member, but I'm currently the oldest mod, and, bahhh, older than you. But who counts such trivia!? 
Hello ! I just checked my first submitted pixel. It was in 2012. Ten years ago! Not too active lately but still lurking around 
. And this year I'll turn 43... I'm an old timer . Who is the oldest pixel artist still active in the community?
choke - tiny canvas
joke - noise is like winter snow
poke your mouse yet more
broke: limited color palette
woke: avoid single pixels and diagonals
bespoke: minimum cluster size
I'm looking for a pixel tutor (this is paid) to give me feedback and help me improve. Private message me if you're interested!
Your work was voted to be rejected due to the use of color reduction.
The WIP wasn't conclusive so we voted.
I've been wondering why my latest work has stuck on the approval level :(
haha，thanks！It's so unremarkable
I noticed I only rated twice, so where to rate it？
Don't we have enough pixel art as-is? Just close the damn gallery! :p
in other words the future is uncertain and there will be a lot of fights about galery rules and the definition of pixel art 
apparently the combination of empress and fool is strange one as those are opposing cards :D
https://tarocchi-gratis.online/en/combinations-tarot/the-fool-and-the-empress/
and the moon represents intuition as well as confusion or the sign that not everyhting is as it seems
Ok, but why we do not have a reading of the results? What does The Empress, The Fool, The Moon mean to us?
As long as you didn't vote Tower, Tower, Tower you're probably fine.
As you probably know, the Death card is supposed to indicate rebirth, change and transitions, so it's actually kind of a positive fortune. Maybe Mathias' certain death will be benefitial in the grand scheme of things. 
what if when you voted for three of the weekly chall' tarot cards, PJ had a script that used your input to calculate an actual tarot card reading for you, thereby telling your fortune as a pixel artist.
i voted for Death, Death, Death. rip
Gonna need some Top10 trophies for the Tarot weekly challenge. I have no idea how to vote for just 3. 
I hate the idea that someone might, even for a second, be tricked into thinking that those recently showing adverts of most atrociously hideous NFTs are a part of PJ gallery.
You must have visited the old one. Here's the official one:
https://discord.com/invite/gNFUyXk
imgur.com/kP3xJbL (You cant drag and drop images in Win 11 anymore :P)
Frost . . . what's the story there? Were you livin' that perpetual LAN party life?
-{ old CRT setup show-n-tell, ~2003 }-
That would be a pretty small flat, considering all the CRT monitors I don't think I could afford anything bigger than 20sq metres, and I have a dvi monitor, a CRT monitor, two CRT TVs and a LED TV, and I don't think I could store all my consoles there, so I'd have to choose a few to stay and store the others somewhere else. 
I might have to keep my ceramics 3D printer there too if I can't find shared studio space, so in terms of room it could get a bit cramped...
I once lived with around 10-11 CRT monitors in a pretty small flat (24 square meters, iirc).
It's doable, people!
@Christoballs: yeah, i struggle with space as well. but well, i already have one (not fully functional) tv so i'm this close to buy another pc crt just to have something which works :E
@Hapiel: uhm... i think asking for a freebie is highly inappropriate. however, i just looked at the itch.io page and he released the lite version for non-commercial projects for free! praise be! 
If you explain that to MRMO, I'm pretty sure he'd be able to share it with you :)
@b236: yes, I believe you're looking for a Trinitron or something similar, right?
Mrmo's CRT thing would interest me because it could be quite easy to mock up a pixel art piece on it, without me having to use real hardware I don't have. Plus, I may have to come to terms with the fact I might not have room for a CRT in the next place I'm going to rent...
@Christoballs: on a different topic: i didn't, but i hope i'll get my hands on it one day (i don't use internet banking, so i can't buy it for now)
but more than that i'd love to finally get working real life crt :E i completely forgot how frustrating old tech can be.
the biggest plot twist in history of anime!
Ugh, I hoped this discussion was done by now. As Vrine said, same thing as last time. I agree with Cure that this should be very over and that our engaging is what keeps it alive, but at the same time it's sadly come to our attention that other people are reading along, and without the right context they might read Greenraven's outrageous claims as truths.
So to set a few things straight:
Greenraven's brother left in 2006. I don't know what happened, but I do know that none of the people who were on the team back then have been on the PJ team in the past 5 years, in fact most of them had already quit moderating in 2008.
"Flamey" aka Flameruler did not "defend his work", he behaved like a little kid on the internet being confused and trolling, like kids do. However, this kid grew up, and I can happily say that I'm friends with him, that he has been very successful with pixel art, and that he feels no resentment to PJ at all. In fact, he may be one of our best known members, just operating under a different username these days.
Rav did never ever defend his work, in fact he did not produce any work. Much like Greenraven right now, Rav joined here to start a debate club, and then those debates spiraled into fights including personal attacks, which is why he was removed from this site. If you look at Rav's comment log you'll see that none of the discussions he was involved with were related to (pixel) art, he did not submit any art, there was no work to defend.
These are not "old grudges", these are false claims about a past that did not exist.
I'm sorry Greenraven can't find the actual discord server despite it being linked in my earlier posts.
Also I'm sorry that he believes there is such a thing as an "admin log" that shows the deletion of many gallery items, which is simply not true, as that never ever happened.
Those who are still worried about PJ's past and want to learn more about it, contact me and I'll gladly supply you with all the resources, intense discussions (internal and external) or even insider "admin logs"
For whatever it's worth, this message does only reflect my view but is also signed by Gecimen, Gawrone, and Christoballs.
On a different topic: has anybody tried Mrmo Tarius's MRMO-CRT?
"Now, if you have "lost" your firends becasue they were not allowed to post NPA on a gallery clearly only about PA, than they probably were not your friends in the first place."
My brother was a member here once. Then one random day one of the mods told him to go kill himself so he never came back here ever again. Many other people were in the exact same situation, they weren't really given much of a choice in staying.
Then others like Flamey and Rav were turned into pariahs for staying and defending their work.
https://pixeljoint.com/p/4085.htm
https://pixeljoint.com/p/41334.htm
So one way or the other I still lost friends in the end. Kinda hard to say they weren't really my friends if they weren't given much of a choice.
But yeah I can kinda see how this looks like to new members. And honestly I'm not trying to restart old grudges, as I've said multiple times now this was only supposed to be a quick comment about jal that somehow snowballed.
Also I checked out discord the other day, I don't know what you guys are talking about there's virtually no activity there. Someone asked if jal was dead a few days ago and the last post before that was around september of 2021.
@Gecimen - Two things here. 1) When someone says they want to watch "an old movie" they could mean one of the action movies from 1990 like Terminator. When someone else says they want to watch "an old movie" they could mean one of the black & white movies from 1940 like Casablanca. When I say "old community" I mean "AOL buddy icons" old.
2) Just because someone had an account back then doesn't mean they were involved in the day to day politics of the site. Plus I don't need anyone to vouch for me, the admin logs have all the proof you need.
@tinc - Pot, kettle, obsidian.
@Cyangmou - That's basically what I'm saying. The ideas of a few somehow became mistaken for site-wide doctrine. It's why I called it an outlier ideology, especially when we had artists from places like LucasArts coming here and scratching their heads.
@vrine - Feel free to change the subject, I'm done here, this was never supposed to go this far in the first place.
I remember when we had this exact same discussion started by the same person last year. Time flies!
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That's an interesting perspective, I hadn't thought of that.
Well it looks like all Discord "forum" posts will automatically archive in a week or less. I don't think normal users can see archived things. I surmise this new feature will still feel like the typical immediate Discord experience.