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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 3/22/2022 07:45

ah my favorite chatterbox! Who's ready for the metaverse! killmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


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Christoballs (Level 7 Neanderthal) @ 3/22/2022 07:12

Talk about being selfless, amongst other things Hapiel hadn't even mentioned the immensely popular and successful Pixelween 2020 & Pixelween 2021 which he put together, and has helped bring several pixel art communities together!

Edit: Hapiel did mention it, but credit goes to him, nevertheless


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yuanhai (Level 7 Cuttlefish) @ 3/21/2022 18:41

If it's just for selling art, there's no need for NFTs. The essence of NFT is virtual currency of different denominations, and the picture is just the packaging of this currency. Artists may benefit from NFTs, but NFTs have nothing to do with artists.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/21/2022 14:36
I'm sorry that you haven't gotten a personalised trophy in a while. But since you seem to keep on wanting to make the point:
 
We now have new special trophies, which did not exist in Jal era, and Head Trophy Master Gawrone makes sure that everyone gets their brand new discord collab trophies or secret santa trophies. Our favorite Favorite Awarder Christoballs makes sure that every month people receive awards for commenting or receiving most favorites. Also new are the ISO collab trophies, taken care of by our Extraordinairy Collab Organizer Gecimen. And all of these new trophies are designed by Master of Pixel Art Jinn. All of these people would deserve an award for their awards, but as selfless staff they rather hand out trophies than accept them. I'm not sure how you read 'dry and corporate' in them, I can assure you they are given and received with a lot of love.
 
The sense of community you're missing from the chatterbox is because almost everyone has moved over to the chatterbox+, a platform much more suitable for active community forming in many regards. And I must say it's a huge success. Or, in your words, it's an "unfiltered deluge of thoughts".
 
The last time you saw a fadatar was less than 2 years ago, the seed of which was planted at the chatterbox+.
 
Site-wide projects are even extending beyond the site, such as the recent street collab. The collab palette and rules were collaboratively created on the chatterbox+, there was a relating weekly challenge, and it is now being hosted on WePixel, which also spawned off the chatterbox+. It's been going for almost 2 months and now already has more than 50 entries, not bad I'd say!

But I could of course also name the Bosch collab, the many ISO collabs (fastest finish ever), the Pixelween (550 entries!)
 
And as for the wips and challenge help, every day people participate in the discord feedback channels. It's a different style than the forums used to be, but very fast, friendly, and some times still very elaborate.
 
Every time you come into the chatterbox you complain about the PJ of the present and reminiscent about the far past. And I get it, PJ was pretty nice in the past (I remember, I was there too), and it has changed in many aspects. But overall, I think this community and site deserves more praise than criticism. 15 years ago, everyone had their own forum, every community their own sites and many artists their own portfolio sites (even without Ens' support..). Most of those have disappeared, and have been replaced with the social media conglomerates of today.
 
But PJ? It's thriving, and if you don't see it it's because you're blinded by a false sense of nostalgia.
 

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Reo (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 3/21/2022 14:28

I don't know if its a language barrier thing but you have a very naive and simplistic view of NFTs. Of course they can be profitable for the individual, that is not in question by any critic of them, it is that the "system" requires losers left when the few winners cash out before the whole thing crumbles. You speak of Fool's art but take a look at the quality of the average pixelart NFT and think about if "art" has anything to do with it. A NFT is just a link to a picture, the "art" aspect of NFTs is just hype to cover the fact that it is just a pyramid scheme. Also I advice you to look up the word "greenwashing". 

I'm sure there's a good spanish language critique of NFTs for you to look into. If something seems "to good to be true", well it probably is. Best of luck. 


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greenraven (Level 2 Hired Gun) @ 3/21/2022 08:54

Yeah except I pointed to an award I got, and let me throw in one of the earlier awards you got- 

When was the last time someone received one of those? Where is the charm? Where is the personality? Most awards now are "top commenter", "most pixels", very dry and corporate.

Also I didn't say "valuable" I said "sense of community" two very different concepts.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/21/2022 01:34
I mean, if you're talking about the time that Ens and Leel and Aleiav frequented the site, you're not just thinking of the time that Jal was active, you're thinking of 2007-2008. Those were good times indeed, but luckily not the only moments that PJ has been valuable to the community.
 
 

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Pixelarg (Level 6 Yonkyu) @ 3/20/2022 23:37

I do clean ntfs (non-polluting), and I sell it, it has been very beneficial for me, and people really like to collect my art, in fact they resell and treasure them, in my case it was a really great experience!
They allow me to live from my art, in a much more comfortable way than if I had to do the traditional commissions
just imagine that fool designs a unique work of art to be sold as nft, and if you get that work, it would be very valuable, and if you want to sell, and if you sell it, you could get more money than you invested, and the artist would receive royalties for each resale, for life.

for me it sounds very good


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Pixelarg (Level 6 Yonkyu) @ 3/20/2022 23:31

happy bday Tomic! 


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greenraven (Level 2 Hired Gun) @ 3/20/2022 21:23

I have a mountian of unfinished art, lost the motivation to keep working on them when I realized I have nowhere to post them and no one to share them with. I do oekaki and other "impure" things so my heresy isn't particularly welcomed here on pixeljoint, never really much cared for deviantart, and I'm pretty sure they'll shoot me on sight at places like pixelation after all bullshit wars that happened between all the art sites.

Also NFTs are a scam. It's artificial scarcity without any justifiable explanation. Might as well charge people money for dirt.


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Yogurt (Level 6 Centaur) @ 3/20/2022 20:53

Yeah, I've been thinking about just putting all the random scraps of drawings I have together and finishing them one by one. The more I procrastinate on that the more daunting it becomes though haha


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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/20/2022 06:20

definitely. i've got plenty of works waiting to be finished. most of them won't be ever done.


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Amazonite (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 3/20/2022 06:08

I have a bunch of unfinished artworks now.. anyone relate? 


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yuanhai (Level 7 Cuttlefish) @ 3/20/2022 03:50

I have encountered it a few times, and I have rejected it. And friends are not recommended to participate in NFT.
It's irritating that a lot of people hide their use when they hire pixel artists, trying to get a lot of pixel art for a very low price.
So I hate NFTs, at least those who sell NFTs.


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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/20/2022 03:42


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yuanhai (Level 7 Cuttlefish) @ 3/20/2022 03:33

It's been a year since I joined PJ, and I don't know why I didn't turn into a Cuttlefish, but I still want to congratulate myself in the chat room.


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greenraven (Level 2 Hired Gun) @ 3/19/2022 21:08

To be honest I don't really hang out on discord all that much. Maybe that's where all the cool kids are these days.

But the site itself just feels cold and coporate. I dunno, a lot of little things just feel off.

Ens for example had a web hosting service back in the day, you'd have to pay decent amount of cash especially back then, but Ens just gave PJ people their own slice of the internet just because. "You get an internets! And you get an internets!"

https://pixeljoint.com/projects/thejoint/default.asp?cat=2286

https://pixeljoint.com/projects/lildudes/

Maybe I'm not logging in enough or maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I don't really see site-wide projects anymore. Don't remember the last time I saw a fadatar either.

The chatterbox was an unfiltered deluge of thoughts. We didn't just talk about pixels we talked about anything and everything. Sex, drugs, love, depression, suicide, school, work, moodswings. And especially when Ens and Aleiav were on it was all "fuck this shit that motherfucking cobblewonker twatwaffles". The overall vibe just felt different when people talked here.

And when people were having trouble with challenges and wips jal, leel, and a few other site cheerleaders would jump in for moral support. Not just provide technical support on how to pixel but tell people that "it's ok, you got this, don't stress out, maybe go get some fresh air and try again later". And jal would personally go the extra mile and have a heart to heart with anyone who was struggling hard.

I dunno maybe I'm just getting old and jaded but a lot of little things just feel out of place now. It's the small stuff that you notice the most.


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 3/19/2022 20:57

As it happens, my latest gallery submission is an homage to the PJ community from back in the day. I certainly feel like things were different, but it's not for me to say if it was better or worse. Depends on one's perspective and ideals. And it's not just about PJ, it's about how the internet and internet culture has changed as a whole. Compare current FB with early FB, or compare Reddit with 2005-era message boards.


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Nightmare3711 (Level 6 Tenderfoot) @ 3/19/2022 16:07

Yeah, I am curious what the community was more like back in the day. Today I think the community is fairly close and I recognize quite a few of the regulars, particularly in the Discord server.


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Christoballs (Level 7 Neanderthal) @ 3/19/2022 12:15
Kind of a shame that modern day pixeljoint doesn't have the same sense of community that jal fostered.

Could you elaborate?


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greenraven (Level 2 Hired Gun) @ 3/19/2022 08:14

 Someone surpassed jal?! Not on my watch!!

I mean I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later. I'm actually surprised he was up that long to begin with. But I suppose there's a reason he was called the people's mod in the first place. Kind of a shame that modern day pixeljoint doesn't have the same sense of community that jal fostered.


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Tenebrae (Level 2 Dealer) @ 3/19/2022 04:44

I have no problem with that and it's good to know that there are like minded folk here. Without wanting to sound like a blowhard, I find it tacky and boring, not to mention the other more murky concerns that come with the whole meta industry. For my part I won't bring it up again, but your answer actually made me happy. 


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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/19/2022 04:04

i think the good illustration of the general sentiment is the fact that in pj discord server the bot will tell you to change the subject if you even mention NFT :D


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Tenebrae (Level 2 Dealer) @ 3/19/2022 02:31

Every single day lately I get people wanting to hire me to do their NFT collections for them. I think I worked one once and found it quite mind numbing. Not to mention I don't quite know where I stand with the whole NFT thing anyway. What do you guys think of it?


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/16/2022 15:51

Some years ago the points weighing changed, going from 3 points per comment to 5 points per comment. And since Jal left a looooott of comments, this played very much in his favor!

He still has nearly twice as many comments as I do.


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Delicious (Level 10 Capo) @ 3/16/2022 15:14

Wait, Jal was first this whole time and hasnt been active in like a decade?! That's crazy. Congrats but holy heck Jal needs a reward for that! Wherever he may be <3


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Delicious (Level 10 Capo) @ 3/16/2022 14:58

I was moderator here years ago, we were very strict with what we considered pixel art. Kinda crazy we wouldn't allow these through though. 


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Amorph (Level 4 Sea Turtle) @ 3/15/2022 14:37

I was wondering when it would happen! Congrats!

Definitely feels a little bittersweet with jal; also very impressive that he stayed on top for so many years after not being active


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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/15/2022 05:54

all hail the king!


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/15/2022 01:12
Oh no. It's been 11 years since I last was #1
 
But now... can I ever comment again?

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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/14/2022 11:51

i fully agree!


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Eggy (Level 6 SWAT) @ 3/14/2022 11:05

Yeah. I can definitely understand that low color counts are basically what helps to define pixel art, but I also think it's good when a work goes against the "standard" and still works just as great if not even better. I get it when people go "hey this has more colors than you really need, you can trim them down and still get the same result" but not when they go "hey this looks amazing but that's too many colors to be considered pixel art imo". It makes me kind of feel like it stifles the creative freedom of artists that do know what they're doing with all those colors. I don't remember what it was like years ago but I'm glad there's some leniency now.


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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/14/2022 10:28

"It basically reinforces the idea that pixel art "has" to have limited colors..." yes and there's plenty of people who will tell you that it is one of the core characteristics of pixel art.
to be fair, from what i've heard moderators used to be much more strict about gallery rules than nowadays. they are actually pretty lenient now (which imo is a good thing).


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Eggy (Level 6 SWAT) @ 3/14/2022 09:38

Tbf, I think rejecting works merely because they have a lot of colors is pretty dumb. I mean it can lead to a mess of a palette that could've benefitted with having a lesser color count... But if it still works even with (and especially because of) a lot of colors, then I can't see why it should be turned down. It basically reinforces the idea that pixel art "has" to have limited colors when the hall of fame literally has images containing a color count so high that had they been submitted today, they'd probably be instantly rejected based on these standards despite the stunning detail and the amount of work that went into them. For me, a high color count =/= bad and it can work if the artist knows what they're doing... Shame the effort wasn't recognized in the same way.


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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/14/2022 04:26

this is paul's second account. works posted under his other account are much older. i guess he forgot the password.
as for the rejections, i tend to think the reason was the high amount of colours used. that's always controversial issue here.
i too wish he was active on pj, but considering that he stopped posting in 2009 only to return in 2016 and apparently get most of his work rejected, i can imagine he might feel a bit of resentment. i'd say not much can be done now.


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Eggy (Level 6 SWAT) @ 3/14/2022 03:20

Oh huh is that what happened? I didn't even notice the upload dates. I thought it was a long-time artist and I was wondering why his work was rejected. From the looks of the preview images, at least some of them don't look like they had any valid reason for rejection... 


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SeDiceBisonte (Level 8 Spaceman) @ 3/14/2022 02:00

@Pixelarg: There is a way! I assume there's an equivalent method in every browser, but in Firefox you can bring up the page info and, in the metadata, there's a field called 'og:image'. Next to that is the URL for the picture.

See here for a screenshot.


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Irenaart (Level 10 HP Lovecraft (Author)) @ 3/14/2022 01:41

The controversy over the resubmitting of Paul's work go to my burden. While reviewing his works, I noticed that some of them were unfairly rejected. As a moderator, I have the opportunity to push such works again. It would be a real shame for such great works to be forgotten and discarded in the past. Young pixel artists should be familiar with the fantastic work of Paul Robertson.


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Pixelarg (Level 6 Yonkyu) @ 3/14/2022 01:04

it would be nice if the pixel arts under review could still be seen 


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 3/13/2022 16:18

Yeah, I was bummed to find out he didn't resubmit this himself either..


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Delicious (Level 10 Capo) @ 3/11/2022 12:19

Was about to say wow Paul is back and super active! but ya'll just approved his stuff now?! :P 


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Amorph (Level 4 Sea Turtle) @ 3/1/2022 10:14

Happy birthday to both! Take it east


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Manupix (Level 11 Godzilla) @ 2/26/2022 14:29

Thank you Greenie!


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greenraven (Level 2 Hired Gun) @ 2/26/2022 07:11

Just here to say Happy Birthday Jal and Manu!! 


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Amazonite (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 2/24/2022 18:17

Hi Chatterboxers! I hope you are one pixel closer to finishing your project! 


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/22/2022 01:19

It worked, I did see it on the front page just now! (nowadays the frontpage cycles through different works).


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Fleja2003 (Level 7 Lotus) @ 2/21/2022 15:32

... This is unfortunate. When I updated the preview I must've forgotten to optimize it...
"all the little details"

It's under 25kb now, for what it's worth :T


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/21/2022 15:09

Yes, it did not show up on the front page, the image was over 25 kb.. :(


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Fleja2003 (Level 7 Lotus) @ 2/21/2022 14:02

I hate to make the same type of message again; But I think my newest pixelart piece has been suppressed again.

Thankfully I think I know what the trigger that is causing this to happen is, but nonetheless: I've noticed that my submission "Wind Tunnel", had never made it to the new pixelart section despite being approved. And some of the work of those who have uploaded after I have, is being presently featured. 

PS: I think the trigger is modifying/editing the upload prior to it being approved. I updated both the preview and the main file about an hour after I had uploaded it because I noticed something that I had remembered being animated was not moving


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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/10/2022 04:24

yeah, what i did was i cropped the file a little bit so it went below the limit. :|
but if that's not an option, you can at least post a link to animation in description.


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Luca (Level 5 Trash) @ 2/10/2022 04:16

Eh. I guess I can't post the animation then.


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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/10/2022 04:14

i checked the file i couldn't upload before and it seems like 2MB


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Luca (Level 5 Trash) @ 2/10/2022 04:13

What's the max size then? Cause I can't see it anywhere.


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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/10/2022 04:07

@luca: just a guess, but isn't that file over the size limit? i think it happened to me once as well.


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Luca (Level 5 Trash) @ 2/10/2022 03:43

Heyo.

So I encountered a minor problem.

I'm trying to post a new piece but no matter what I do, it shows preview pic as the main one. Help anyone? :D


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Wayuki (Level 10 Unobtainium) @ 2/10/2022 02:36

Now if you really wanted a challenge, you could try to catch up to Fool's awards. 


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/10/2022 02:17

You're not reeeaaallly lvl 11 anyways until you have 11 top commenter trophies...


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Wayuki (Level 10 Unobtainium) @ 2/9/2022 22:40

You may not be able to gain additional levels at that point, but you can always work to top the member list. 


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b236 (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/9/2022 14:44

i'm fifty something comments away from level 11. what am i going to do then?


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Trigonomicon (Level 10 Archaeropteryx) @ 2/9/2022 14:24

Oooh, so that's why I can't find certain emojis.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/9/2022 09:20
That is definitely one of my favorite emojis
 
For those who don't have that emoji: Go get fixeljoint!

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Taks (Level 6 Chrysanthemum) @ 2/9/2022 04:04

vrine would be on top


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Taks (Level 6 Chrysanthemum) @ 2/9/2022 04:03

nice! see you there


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/9/2022 01:35

If it were up to me there would definitely be a page of top 100 members in the past year. And you'd all be in there! <3


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yuanhai (Level 7 Cuttlefish) @ 2/8/2022 17:43

I'm less than 10,000 points away from entering the top 100


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yuanhai (Level 7 Cuttlefish) @ 2/8/2022 17:42

I'll be able to upgrade to level 7 in a month. It is also my registered PJ account for one year.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/8/2022 09:13

Yay! Good luck, see you at the top!


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Taks (Level 6 Chrysanthemum) @ 2/8/2022 08:31

I'm Level 6 now. Gonna continue ranking up. Maybe reach the top 100 highest points


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 2/7/2022 16:39

 cool stuff dan fessler


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 1/30/2022 03:58

High quality stuff so far. Everyone getting too gud.




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