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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 1/11/2023 23:30

@skamocore Roger. but it doesnt feel right. I would never leave The Blue Bomber like this. activating art skills to fix all artifacts plus some free visual enhancements, GO:



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uh oh eishiya is annoyed.

But, that makes the chatterbox the secret cool kids club.


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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 1/11/2023 12:59

Ugh, PJ is logging me out every time I leave the site today ._. If I disappear, assume it's because I was annoyed to death.

Edit: Huh, apparently the chatterbox doesn't display if you're logged out. That's a shame, it means users considering joining don't get to see that aspect of the community.

Edit 2: 3 days later, the issue seems to have resolved itself.


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MrBeast (Level 3 Dryad) @ 1/9/2023 14:32

Yes please I need the money.


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specialmin64 (Level 7 Assassin) @ 1/9/2023 14:28

*Mr. Beast voice* "We just called out a guy who color-reduced a Midjourney image on Pixeljoint! *whoosh noise* Now's his chance to win *cha-ching!* 2 million dollars!!!"


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MrBeast (Level 3 Dryad) @ 1/9/2023 11:52

Most people don't even notice when art suddenly has 9 fingers


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skamocore (Level 11 Dolphin) @ 1/7/2023 02:09

Don't worry about it, most people don't even notice compression artifacts :)


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 1/6/2023 20:43

mayday! significanté fidelity loss detected, sir! Please Advise!


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Amorph (Level 4 Sea Turtle) @ 1/6/2023 17:35

While we're complaining about PJ features, it would be awesome if more pieces could be displayed on the front page at the same time. I know this one has come up a bunch and is also probably gonna be a perpetual wishlist item, oh well.


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Amorph (Level 4 Sea Turtle) @ 1/6/2023 15:04

Instantly recognizable as pixel art


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Theoden (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 1/6/2023 01:03

This is the future of art.


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skamocore (Level 11 Dolphin) @ 1/5/2023 20:25

Don't forget to save as a jpg


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 1/5/2023 15:57

its time for 𝕃𝕒𝕥𝕖 ℕ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥 ℙ𝕚𝕩𝕖𝕝 𝕁𝕠𝕚𝕟𝕥
hurry, post prescaled slightly rotated blurry megamans while the mods are asleep.



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king_bobston (Level 10 Cactus) @ 1/2/2023 17:02

Impressive...


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 1/1/2023 15:30

Yep, it turns red when you favorite something. But then it forgets when page reloads I guess.


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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 1/1/2023 14:50

I also think it used to indicate that you'd faved something (I think by turning red), but it's been so long that I can't remember.


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 1/1/2023 13:22

We made it!
How many pixels will I draw in 2023. Check back in one year.

First PJ complaint of 2023:
Am I crazy or didn't the favorites heart button used to indicate that you'd favorited something already? Doesn't matter if I disable FixelJoint extension or not.


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Amorph (Level 4 Sea Turtle) @ 12/31/2022 22:43

Happy new year, chatterbox denizens!


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king_bobston (Level 10 Cactus) @ 12/31/2022 17:24

Happy new year!


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 12/26/2022 12:04

Excited soon!


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skeddles (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 12/26/2022 11:29

Lospec Gallery releasing soon


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 12/25/2022 10:19

Here, something actually useful (maybe) - as a (former and sometimes current, unfortunately) web designer, part of the problem is clarity - it's them tabs.
Depending on how the tabs are scripted, a small CSS change could help a ton:
tabs

My edit makes it much more clear you're now suddenly viewing Faves, instead of Gallery.
I know there's multiple skins/themes to contend with, but I assume if one could be changed in this way, then they all could.


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 12/25/2022 10:01

Ohh ok, my bad, yeah. So it's even worse than I thought.
What a bummer of a glitch. Really messes things up.


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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 12/25/2022 09:30

Yeeaaah the fact that PJ shows Favs most of the time is why I never link to my PJ profile :/ What's weird is it wasn't always like this, it used to work fine some years back.

And I don't often browse people's galleries very often because clicking pages has a tendency to show the wrong thing. One workaround for viewing other people's galleries is to not use the gallery tab, but instead use the "Search Pixel Art" option from the menu, e.g. https://pixeljoint.com/pixels/new_icons.asp?owner=34902&ob=search&dosearch=1. This also can get messed up if you're doing any browsing on PJ in other tabs, but I haven't noticed completely spontaneous goofs from it.


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king_bobston (Level 10 Cactus) @ 12/25/2022 03:45

The problem i mean is not the wrong gallery link but when someone clicks the second page and it shows the second page of my favs instead of my arts


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 12/24/2022 20:12

There's a known solution in this case - go to one of your gallery items and view it, then click your own name or avatar in the description. That URL is the one you want. Here's yours: https://pixeljoint.com/p/34902.htm


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king_bobston (Level 10 Cactus) @ 12/24/2022 16:53

My main gripe with that bug is when you share your gallery with someone outside of PJ, i don't want anyone to assume i made the great art in my favorites but i also don't always want to put a disclaimer explaining PJ's behaviour about it that most people won't bother reading anyway...


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Trigonomicon (Level 10 Archaeropteryx) @ 12/24/2022 15:53

i did manage to work out a link that should lead to gallery rather than faves once:
pixeljoint.com/p/66890.htm?sec=icons
To me, this link first loads faves but reroutes automatically to gallery after a second or two. But I think it worked a bit inconsistently when testing?


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 12/23/2022 10:19

@eishiya Ohhh haha. good thing I just specialize in makin little pictures. 🐀


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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 12/23/2022 07:44

Buuuut, once in a while I want to check someone's faves and then BAM! Works like a charm - exactly where I wanted to be with just one click. 


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Yogurt (Level 6 Centaur) @ 12/23/2022 06:18

Definitely the biggest annoyance for me. Looking through someone's gallery is so difficult.


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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 12/23/2022 06:11

@Mathias: Fortunately ASP is entirely server-side and just spits out HTML/CSS/JS for the browser xP


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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 12/23/2022 01:32

I want my gift now!


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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 12/23/2022 01:31

You also need to take trials of pixels to enter the highest secret inner circle before you can be even allowed to take part in the summoning in other role than the sacrifice. I was sacrificed 3 times so far.


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 12/22/2022 20:14

And then Chrome and Firefox drop all ASP support.


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king_bobston (Level 10 Cactus) @ 12/22/2022 17:30

Legends say that mods have to perform a summoning ritual including sacrifices and other questionable actions each time they attempt to contact the sedge


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 12/22/2022 16:37

balls


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 12/22/2022 14:47

Definitely high up on my list too... But I can't be bothered to ask Sedge again for a bunch of fixes, it's tiring to send lists of stuff and questions and then get a response to one of them if you're lucky...


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 12/22/2022 14:37

#1 PJ quirk fix request - when loading someone's profile page, always default to the Gallery tab, never the Faves tab.


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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 12/22/2022 13:58

Unpopular opinion: I think PJ would still be PJ even if the bugs were fixed xP

On an unrelated note, I love how many Secret Santa entries I've been seeing in the queue, should be great when they're all revealed! Looking forward to a post with all of them.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 12/22/2022 13:21

We got you covered at PJ! :D


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king_bobston (Level 10 Cactus) @ 12/22/2022 11:24

i gotta say looking at the chatterbox after a long time and reading about technical problems with the site has a homely feeling to it :D


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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 12/22/2022 06:57

That sounds like a good approach :D


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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 12/22/2022 03:49

@eishiya, some participants asked about the mars challenge at discord, and I provided my own interpretation of my own rules. How I wrote them ment that you have to use the provided canvas and two colours on it, but there were no rule that you cannot alter the shape of the circle on that canvas.

If I don't write something precise enough in the rules, I almost always settle controversies in favor of creative, weird or out of the box solutions. The only exception would be if a rule loophole could be used to cheat one's way into the challenge or half-ass the entry. Then I most certainly will edit the rules.


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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 12/21/2022 18:31

Ah, how annoying D: I was hoping there was some way to tell. At least with deliberate entries that misunderstand the rules it's usually easy enough. ...although, in the Mars challenge, I think one of the top 3 was against the rules, at least as I interpreted them, and no one seemed to mind.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 12/21/2022 17:40
They can be, if we spot it on time! But there is weirdly enough also no way to check which submissions are marked as entries after the timer runs out and before we open the voting...
 
We have some other tricks to help spotting accidental entries, but they still slip through sometimes..

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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 12/21/2022 14:56

Can they be removed from the weekly prior to that?


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 12/21/2022 14:10

They can't be removed from the voting page once the voting has been opened... Very annoying indeed :/


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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 12/21/2022 10:43

Are entries ever removed from weeklies? Seems like every now and then, one gets submitted by accident, or someone deliberately participates but doesn't follow the rules, and these seem to end up in the voting despite not being valid entries?


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king_bobston (Level 10 Cactus) @ 12/21/2022 05:07

It used this template

The old instructions about what to do where here.

If you want technical insight how the site works to display them you better ask Ennea/Crow who made the site since i only understand the theory not the actual code part :)


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Stickman (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 12/20/2022 11:43

That is brilliant!

How is this done?


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king_bobston (Level 10 Cactus) @ 12/20/2022 07:55

Ironically reading about this makes me want to do a partial turn around (spoiler: i won't).

I have an aversion to backgrounds/scenes but sounds like a fun challenge regardless.

Btw pixonomicon made something, somewhat related:

link to all entries (you click on one room and then can move the view by holding the mouse button, close with the x at the bottom text)

my entry as example and shameless plug


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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 12/19/2022 06:08

Thank you!


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Stickman (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 12/19/2022 05:23

Thanks: @eishiya; @gawrone: Here's an update:

STEREOPIXELS

Make a stereographic animated GIF of a scene, moving back and forth between two views of the scene to create a 3D effect, like this example: [link to demo image] (show a 2 frame image and an image with more frames for examples)

Canvas Size - Max 128 x 128
Colors - Unrestricted
Transparency - No.
Animation - required - (Min 2 frames Max 5 frames)


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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 12/18/2022 12:00

@Stickman: Aye, I think that's better. I think it would be good to name and describe the effect though, e.g.

Make a stereographic animated GIF of a scene, moving back and forth between two views of the scene to create a 3D effect, like this example: [link to demo image; I'd recommend using a 2-frame image as a demo instead, so people don't feel pressured to draw more frames]

I like the canvas size limitation of 128x128, seems like a good size to keep the focus on the 3D effect and not on making a huge impressive scene :D I think the colour count restriction is unnecessary in this case - the focus should be the 3D effect, not on creating three visual planes with a limited palette.

Edit: Also, I don't think "Pixelgrams" is a good name - "Stereograms", which I assume is what it's a reference to, are a whole separate category of stereo vision illusion xP Maybe "Stereopixels" instead?


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Stickman (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 12/18/2022 11:42

PIXELGRAMS

Pixel a scene and  animate (5 frames max) to create this 3D effect:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fc/f5/42/fcf542d063a19409f936073117173d0f.gif

Please take note of the foreground, mid ground and background parallaxing to complete the effect, along with the object that is the main focus.

Canvas Size - Max 128 x 128
Colors - Max 16
Transparency - No.
Animation - required - maximum of 5 frames.

@eishiya; @gawrone:

Is this better? Feel free to clean it up so that it make more sense.


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 12/18/2022 09:42

@gawrone: PJ nerd doesn't care about jaggies, only more pixels. The pixels must flow. 

Good luck with the SS gift. And happy pixelling, Mathias! I will get back on the horse soon too, I hope. Or find a way to make a deep learning model that places pixel by pixel in MS Paint, trained only on Cure's tutorials.


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eishiya (Level 7 Bunyip) @ 12/18/2022 08:28

@Stickman, @gawrone: If it's an object, then it's just a partial turnaround, not really a stereogram. What makes stereograms work is the parallax motion between different planes - background, focal midground, foreground. It would be much more interesting if this challenge was about depicting some sort of scene. Plus, I think it's better to give people thematic freedom for a technical challenge like this, let people choose what's more fun or easier to repict in 3D.


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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 12/18/2022 07:10

@Stickman, I've added it to my list


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Stickman (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 12/18/2022 05:56

@eishiya

I see. I didn't realise that this is what you meant. It's actually a nice idea for a challenge though and somethng that you wouldn't need tools to acomplish with. I'm thinking that 5 frames on a larger canvas would be less finicky:


PIXELGRAMS

Pixel an existing piece of furniture/object(s) in your house and  animate (5 frames max) to create this 3D effect:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fc/f5/42/fcf542d063a19409f936073117173d0f.gif

Canvas Size - Max 128 x 128
Colors - Max 16
Transparency - No.
Animation - required - maximum of 5 frames.


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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 12/18/2022 00:45

@CELS I examined your image and it is possible that jaggies and no AA makes the nerd cry :P  But I'm still going to shut up and at least finish my SS gift.


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Mathias (Level 7 Junk) @ 12/17/2022 23:09

@eishiya - Awesome ok, thanks. Still a tad confused on the decentralized part but I'll figure it out. I think you've pointed me in the right direction.
I did once use Tumblr quite a bit. I kinda drifted away from it.

hehe CELS.
I too am officially quilty of posting more in the chatterbox than actual pixels. I'll work on that.

In a way I'm glad the MS-Paint single pixel placin' purists still show up. Maybe they provide some balance. A different perspective can be useful. Zizka clearly isn't a bad person or anything so he doesn't deserve too much hazing. And to a degree I respect the staunchness of the position. But . . . the 'I dont use X in my personal art process so nobody else should either, or I'll [quote]: "...systematically disregard anything that artist would make in the future" mentality is in my opinion simply ignorant, and I worry it puts unnecessary ankle weights on new aspiring pixellers interested in maximizing their potential.
I'm speaking partly from experience actually. I too was a pixel nazi once, very early on. I know why I grew out of it.

But hey, ya know, if you're here, you're a fellow pixel fan at the end of the day. Surely we can all work something out.
Got a new game mockup thing to wrap up and submit. If I'm lucky, even our boi Zizka will like it.


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 12/17/2022 16:56


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CELS (Level 7 Lotus) @ 12/17/2022 16:46

In Masters of Pixel Art vol 3, Fleja already references the paradigm of Cure's rules as 'traditional pixel art'.

The future is now, and we're all a bunch of old fogies.


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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 12/17/2022 12:44

@Zizka there is nothing arbitrary in defining art. In history there were attempts to use definitions like "if someone say it is art so than it is true" or "art is whatever you want" but nobody threats them seriously. They definitely do not help in clasificatoon of things and in our communication.

If you want to define something differently and convince others that you are right, you use arguments and this already roots you in some form of objectivity or at least intersubjectivity. There are problems to get one definition that will work correctly and successfully include everything recognised as pixel art and exclude everything that is not, and to get everyone agree with it, so people will argue about it forever by exchanging arguments or inventing new ones.

And you also have to add evolution. Pixel art is constantly changing and new things emerge from old ones before we recognise that they already are something new and before we have a different name for them. Whenever someone says "what is pixel art is arbitrary and everyone can understand it as they like and will be right, and it's just opinions" voluntary excludes themselves from the debate. Just because achieving full agreement is difficult doesn't mean there are no elements of objectivity already established, we all have to agree with.

Maybe in near future there will be something called "traditional pixel art" and "x pixel art" and PJ impact on history will finally be recognised :D but we are not yet there.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 12/17/2022 11:09

It's even harder if I make my pixel art whilst standing on my head. Does that make the outcome any better?

And who runs the better marathon? The person who runs it in 4 hours, or the person who walks for 1k and then runs the rest but finishes in 3 hours? It's again the outcome that is relevant...


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Zizka (Level 10 Deep Blue) @ 12/17/2022 10:51

@hapiel: 


Well, you could advocate "imagine where we'd be if we still refused to use AI"? Where do you draw the line? 

As for using shortcuts, I'd think it's safe to say it's harder to design your own palette and using a photo as reference and eye-balling it than color reducing and tracing over it, wouldn't you agree? 
 


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Zizka (Level 10 Deep Blue) @ 12/17/2022 10:43

@gawrone:

Thanks for providing a counter-argument which isn't grounded in an Ad-Hominem (your pixel art in your gallery is basic therefore you should shut the fuck up). You're right, I love Fool's work and it is a bit disappointing to learn it's traced over. On the other hand, it's something drawn by him, so that's good enough by my standard. It'd be even more of an accomplishment if it had been done from scratch, in my opinion. It's like running a marathon, it's good if you walk 1 km and run the rest but it's more of an accomplishment if you run the whole thing. A line has to be drawn eventually as to what constitutes pixel art and what doesn't. Since it's arbitrary, there's no settling it. I just don't think that the gallery content should be determinant as to who can or can't express their opinion on the concept. 


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 12/17/2022 10:34
I thought we were talking about 'ray tracing', but we're really talking about.. tracing tracing?
 
Of course, stealing works of others is bad (no matter what method, copying, tracing, eyeballing or whatever), and the boundaries between stealing and referencing and taking inspiration are vague and always up for debate.
 
But are you advocating that tracing your own work is bad too? Or tracing references which you have permission to use? Isn't tracing like a skill in the artist toolkit, just like 'eyeballing' is a skill?
 
Also, as human beings with limited time and resources, shortcuts are an absolute requirement to be able to produce anything good at all. I am glad that pixel artists use the fill bucket, animators rotoscope, 3d modellers kitbash, as efficient art making has allowed us to discover new heights. Imagine where we'd be if everyone was still mixing their own paints!
 
You can choose not to be a fan of the visual characteristics of an artwork that heavily relies on tracing (or any other technique, for that matter), and I do that too sometimes to some extend. But to call these practices cheating and to shun them from your platform seems to me like a huge mistake that inhibits progress, open communication, and a healthy community.
 
Also, if you think it is that much easier to 'cheat your way to the end result', I highly recommend you to try and create some 'cheated' artwork. If you're right, you'll be 'instantly gratified', so not much to loose? Feel free even to upload them to PJ, it's much easier to discuss our gallery boundaries when we have specific examples to deal with.
 
And yes, this AI stuff will likely change everything and flip my opinions around a few times in the next decade, I can't wait to discover how I feel then :)

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gawrone (Level 11 Pixeljoint) @ 12/17/2022 10:06

@Zizka, if you will dig the internet enough, you might find fool's WiP's catalogue, (and I don't have to say that he is one of most valued artists here, in PJ's community). Once you're there, you might find fool tracing his concept drawings and pixel over them, so when you do that I guess you could start deleting your praise comments and fav's, and maybe you will finish before 2023 XD


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StevenM (Level 8 MS-DOS) @ 12/17/2022 08:43

A person with 10 years, 160 pixelart submissions and 2500+ comments on the site apparently doesn't grasp the basic human concepts of 'putting your money where your mouth is [especially in regard to arrogant intolerant opinions on art]' or 'people in a venue will generally judge you by your output in that venue'. And I use 'apparently' to give the slightest room for benefit of the doubt that said person isn't just being disingenuous about the given context, when people can literally scroll down and see the context right there




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