5 years since 9/11


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Today is the 5yr anniversary of 9/11, one of the largest terrorist attacks ever, and the largest to ever hit the USA.  That day, 2,948 were confirmed dead and 24 are still reported missing.  Even though this tragedy happened in the USA, it effected the entire world, whether it be International Policy, trade, or so on.

I am sure everyone knows where they were when this happened, it is one of those times that stick in your mind.

I will be using this time to remember  people whom I knew who perished at the Pentagon; Lt. JG Darin Howard and Sgt Tamara Thurman.

Here is a complete list of all the victims (warning, it may be down from time to time due to heavy traffic today)

Posted by Ensellitis @ 9/11/2006 09:01  |    35

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Sir.Brian (Level 1 Gangster) @ 9/16/2006 09:44
> hey shadow.. big buildings like that are made to collapse instead of fall over if they are ... comprimised.  A lot of things can't be proved wrong. It doesn't mean they aren't BS. Horoscopes for example.. btw, Fahrenheit 9/11.. besides the stupid content, was a poorly made film. It just boogles the mind, how hollywood can allow such trash to get through.. every one of two movies.

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Adarias (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 9/15/2006 18:31
people like conspiracy theories because they dont want to think that a few whackjobs can change the world so violently, but the fact is that they can.  whether they hold water or not, i doubt the purpose of this thread was really to debate them.  I say we pause in respect, and then move on with our lives and try to better the world that exists today, not 5 years ago.  the loss of these people cannot be undone by any known medical practice, and neither investigations nor wars will bring them back either.  I doubt the majority of the people who lost their lives thought, in their last moments, "i hope the people dwell on this for year after year and attack each other about who might have done what why and when instead of just trying to enjoy the world god gave them"

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Opacus (Level 7 Ichikyu) @ 9/14/2006 11:56
lol, that makes no sense at all.

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Sir.Brian (Level 1 Gangster) @ 9/14/2006 06:21
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

...i just had to say it. ^_^'

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Opacus (Level 7 Ichikyu) @ 9/14/2006 01:29
Thank you.

I got my info and knowledge indeed from Fahrenheit and Loose Change, which were both showed on Dutch tv. Loose Change was discussed and researched in the program "Zembla" which did proove some stuff wrong. But for example, the theory that the government knew what was coming, couldn't be proved wrong...

And jep, WTC7 didn't get much attention after the twin towers had collapsed. And there was most certainly a second explosion in WTC 2, making sure it did collapse?
And that'd mean they'd have something to hide, because they off course don't want people to know about their knowledge, and the second explosion. Where could this info be found? Exactly: WTC 7.

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Faktablad (Level 6 SWAT) @ 9/13/2006 20:34

Yeah, I've seen it.  One of my mentor/adult friends watched it too and commented on it here:

http://www.couchpixel.com/forum/index.php?topic=206.msg3071#msg3071

He made some good points as well.  Now I officially don't know what to believe.


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Aleiav (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 9/13/2006 20:13

There are some conspiracy theories about 9/11 being... not necessarily a hoax but... planned by our government. Google Video "Loose Change". It takes awhile to load but it's very interesting.


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Faktablad (Level 6 SWAT) @ 9/13/2006 12:27
Ya Ens, I think you're kind of avoiding the topic, or misunderstanding something.

It's true what you say about the media shifting blame from one person to another, however I don't understand why you brought it up as an argument against conspiracy theories, because the media makes everyone believe that terrorists were entirely behind the attacks.  I've never seen any conspiracy theories on the news, except when they're being bashed.  The media (at least mainstream media) doesn't want to have anything to do with conspiracy theories.

In general I think "conspiracy theories" don't get the attention they deserve because they are only argued against by those who have no real idea what actually went on.  They're just ill-regarded merely because they go against mainstream media.  I don't believe in many of them, and there are a lot of wack-job ones, however it can't be just thrown away.

Shadow Wolf brought up WTC 7.  Yeah, what the hell was up with that?

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Aleiav (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 9/13/2006 09:18

Ens, out of curiocity have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11? What was your opinion on that?

And have you seen Loose Change? That's basically a conspiracy theory but it's a very interesting one. I don't know what did or didn't happen, but I think it's interesting to look at.


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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 9/13/2006 03:48
do you have any idea how many terrorist threats are recieved by the government everyday, and how many of those are actually carried out?  while i was at NAVSTA (naval station) great lakes, we got 2+ a day over the course of the year i was there.

and 90% of the information you get is from either the media or consipracy theorists.  if the media wants to shift blame and ect towards one person or another, then that is what the general populas is going to hear, and thus believe.  most of the information is still classified, and for good reasonings.  consiparcy theorists take what the media says and combines it with either past events or what they believe had happened.

dont ever believe what you hear.  the media is like high school...  rumors are started by the gossipors (media), heard by the big mouths (people who watch the news), and spread to the rest of the school (everyone else).  and at times you have the jerks who warp the facts (conspiracy theorists).  im not saying its not possible that there was some cover-up, and im not saying the government couldnt have done more...  but it is impossible for them to go after every suspicion/report of possible terrorism with full force because there is simply not enough resources to do so.

to put it in nerdy terms; it would be like me asking you to do 10 sprites a day, however i dont know what i want, but i want them to be perfect and to my liking the first try

sorry, but this post is getting cut short, i am exausted today...  normally i could debate like a mo-fo...

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Opacus (Level 7 Ichikyu) @ 9/13/2006 01:24
Okay, it was not completly George Bush's fault. Sorry for sounding ignorant. And I don't really believe that 9/11 was framed up.
But this is what I do believe, have seen and heard (And no, I didn't hear it from retards): The Cia and the government saw it coming, and didn't do anything about because it was so convienient.

And no, I don't think the twin towers were blown up by explosives.
But I do believe the other building, WTC 7 was blown up.
The fall of WTC7 made absolutly no sense. And, it crashed from the downside first, not the upper like with the twin towers. A Dutch program researched all this stuff. And a demolishener actually sais that the twin towers could not have been blown up. But that the WTC 7 was actually brought down by explosives.

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Aleiav (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 9/12/2006 23:05

Not entirely, but it's never the less ignorant, stupid, and deviod in all logic. Remember, some people aren't bigots, they're just not smart enough to understand the entire meaning of what they say.

I don't mean to be offensive, but my whole feeling on this and similar events is sympathetic, yes. But on the other hand I feel like our remembering what happened is doing exactly what the people who did it want us to do. Keep remembering and keep that fear. Of course, fear isn't the same as memorializing and I'm not saying that we should completely forget, but I don't entirely think it's healthy to dwell in the past. This is rather certain so I do understand it but... I think we should at the same time look ahead and see what we can do in our own way to make the future better.

Maybe I'm ignorant because I've never lost someone I loved so I've never known what that's like. I have had to shut people out of my life like they died and I know I try to avoid thinking about it, but of course that's a different experience really. Anyways, I'm not trying to be offensive, I do have the utmost respect for people when they suffer a loss and they feel badly for it. That's just my take on it.


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Faktablad (Level 6 SWAT) @ 9/12/2006 21:17
Also using the term "gayass" makes you a bigot. 

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 9/12/2006 20:42
well, by using gayass and not knowing why it was done, then i have realized debating with you will be completely pointless since you are apparently uneducated

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sk8m8trix (Level 1 Rookie) @ 9/12/2006 19:36
well george w is kinda a gayass for sending everyone overseas and meddeling

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 9/12/2006 12:32
congrats shadow wolf, you have just said the most ignorant thing i have ever heard

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Opacus (Level 7 Ichikyu) @ 9/12/2006 11:36
R.I.P all victims of George W Bush

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halfliquid (Level 1 Private) @ 9/12/2006 10:19
I went to high school in lower Manhattan (where the WTC was, if you didn't know) so I was fairly close to it. The school evacuated with request from the police department next to my school in fear that if the buildings fell, we would be in trouble. But I didn't walk away from the WTC until the first building fell (and then I ran). I watched because it was the only thing I could do. People would say to each other, "Wow, look at all that smoke .. and that stuff falling out of the windows." Though if you looked close enough, that 'stuff' was actually .. people. You have to wonder how much pain a person would be in so that they decide "It's better for me to jump to my death from a hundred stories up onto the concrete rather than stay here". How horrible is that.

I will never forget.

RIP all those that lost their lives minus those that were selfish to take planes and drive them into buildings filled with innocent mother and fathers and children.

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 9/12/2006 05:39
sk8m8trix, by having the list of names IS remember who they were.  you can see pictures of them.  if they didnt do a list, then they would basically be considered a number, and that would be more insulting.  as someone who was there, i prefer to see the list instead of just looking at some number.

and what the hell is with contradicting yourself?  first you say they shouldnt be remember who they were and why they died, then you are talking about remembering them before they died, its the same thing.

the list isnt just a list, it is also a memorial.  if we followed your logic, then all cemetaries should quit putting names and dates on gravestones, and using numbers instead, that way we wouldnt have to remember the person.

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inkspot (Level 4 Button Man) @ 9/12/2006 05:32
Ahh, I don't know whats wrong with me, but each year I start to feel more and get more mentally affected by the dead. Even though I am far away from america and 9/11, but I still feel compassion in my heart. Well, people died, some of them died horribly, shure, every day die thousands of more all over the world through the act of violenece and accidents but death is death and someones death is a loss. 20 000 deaths in Iraq doesn't justice the removal of this list or any other death list/monument etc. Life isn't just statistics and politics and someones act doesn't justify other mans death also. Besides, there are many other death lists, Titanic, WWs, catasthropes etc, so stop complaining about the list. If you don't feel anyhting, don't say anything (like I usually do, while reading the headlines from newspaper of another bomb explosion somewhere...), but if you do feel, and if you do feel the need to express your real compassion, then say whatever you need.

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Faktablad (Level 6 SWAT) @ 9/11/2006 21:04
That's the actual point of the list, sk8rm8trix, it's there so that you can get a sense of the human life that was lost, all of the experiences, memories, connections, etc.  It's why you can click on their name.

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sk8m8trix (Level 1 Rookie) @ 9/11/2006 20:58
Eneslitis peopel recover in diffrent ways... i dont like to thnk of teh dead as a list but as who tehy wree before they died

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Faktablad (Level 6 SWAT) @ 9/11/2006 20:42
Ahh, I see where you're coming from now.  An observation of how innocent deaths caused more innocent deaths.  Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the actions taken in retaliation of September 11th, however I also don't like spending too much time playing the blame game and not enough time actually remembering those lost.

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iSTVAN (Level 8 Cannibal) @ 9/11/2006 20:05
I disagree Faktablad. The other stats you mentioned were horrible deaths, sure, but the one 7sons made was deaths caused by the direct retaliations of 9/11. It has relevance here and anywhere that mourns the needless loss of innocent lives.

I do agree that sk8m8trix is a retard. And I don't understand what El Moppo means by 'I didn't care about the London bombings.'

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Faktablad (Level 6 SWAT) @ 9/11/2006 18:18
Yeah, 7sons, I get the point, and 45,000 people died in one battle in the American Civil War and 6 million died in the holocaust.  There are plenty of places to discuss the casualties of all the wars ever fought, and all the terrorist attacks and bombings ever enacted, but this is not one of them. 

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 9/11/2006 16:58
sk8m8trix, you are a complete retard, thats all i have to say. 

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Mulchdiggums (Level 2 Peon) @ 9/11/2006 16:43

i was in a subway about 2 minutes before from the bombings 

 


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sk8m8trix (Level 1 Rookie) @ 9/11/2006 16:35
what kind of sicko posts a list of everyone that got killed????? we shouldnt be renembering the dead and how they died.... we must avenge their deaths

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El Moppo (Level 1 Rookie) @ 9/11/2006 14:21

We're not Bonobos, what do you expect?

I didn't care about the London bombings...and I'm English...and I'm not from London.


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7sons (Level 1 Rookie) @ 9/11/2006 12:59

...3000 in the wtc, roughly 40.000 in Iraq, 20.000 in afghanistan and be sure theres more to come.

dropping "exploding-freedom" from airoplanes is as much terrorism as suicidebombing


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Faktablad (Level 6 SWAT) @ 9/11/2006 11:48
That's a lot of fucking people.  The list makes it all the more astounding.

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 9/11/2006 09:28
couldnt agree more...  the patriot act is one of the worst bills ever signed, imo.  it basically voids out the bill of rights if "they" dont feel like using it.

today politicians will be pointing fingers, consiparcy theroists will be pointing fingers, and so on, instead of remembering those who died and coming together...

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sedgemonkey (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 9/11/2006 09:16
@jalonso:  Took the words right out of my mouth.  A galvanizing moment squandered... "fear policy" has prevailed.

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jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) @ 9/11/2006 09:07
The saddest part is that where it should have united us it has ended up dividing us.

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