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Jinn (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/28/2017 16:44

Just out of curiosity. Who runs PixelJoint's facebook?

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/28/2017 15:53

Replace the message with something nice, funny, or otherwise interesting :)

BexelArt (Level 1 Rookie) @ 3/28/2017 14:30

So I asked a question here in the chatterbox, but figured out the answer for myself. Is there a way to delete chatterbox messages? You can only edit out the text it seems, keeping the blank message.

Daruda (Level 4 Button Man) @ 3/27/2017 10:20

@Skeddles, I suggest you to look at AlexHW tools for editing pixel art and the various stuff he did, some of the best projects on the net for pixel art. 
I'd use his pixel art editor anytime if it had an offline version. 

allaze-eroler (Level 1 Rookie) @ 3/27/2017 06:35

I found out that I can't log in the forum and apparently, that "forgotten your password?" lead to logout page... Which it only logout my account from the site -_-;;;

JerryPie (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/26/2017 23:07

Damn that's sad to hear. Hoping for the best

skeddles (Level 11 Psychopath) @ 3/26/2017 10:23

Maybe Jal was just a dream

Xaiue (Level 1 Rookie) @ 3/26/2017 06:35

I want to know the results of the palette comp. There were many good entries.

cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/25/2017 23:35

No one knows how to reach him. I've called several possible phone numbers for jal or close family, none were useful. I guarantee the address someone came across will also lead to a dead-end. 

No pun intended :S

JerryPie (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/25/2017 21:52

@Cure - a few people have mentioned they know how to reach him in the past few months, there have been some advocating to leave him alone though. (Looks like Hap made an attempt)

@pyrometal - A front page donation request would recieve a lot more than a hard to find donation link. Look how wikipedia does it every once in a while. They have a big yellow banner across the top of each page. Anyway, just offering suggestions. I'm happy with the current state of PJ, doesn't bother me if it stays the same.

pyrometal (Level 7 Assassin) @ 3/25/2017 17:25


Very nice! The screenshot looks promising

skeddles (Level 11 Psychopath) @ 3/25/2017 16:40

Yeah I'll probably add all the challenge ones. I'll add any that are general use (so not literally every pixel art piece, but some certainly could be reusable)

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/25/2017 16:36

There are a couple palette challenge threads in the forums, that would set you up with 200 to get started...
Besides, doesn't every artwork in the gallery here carry a palette? They might not all be unique, but I'm guessing most of them are!

skeddles (Level 11 Psychopath) @ 3/25/2017 16:31

EVERYTHING will be there

In fact, if anyone here knows of any custom palettes that I might not know of, please send them to me!

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/25/2017 16:27

Why is DB32 not in there, but some crap I made one day (and can't remember) is? 

skeddles (Level 11 Psychopath) @ 3/25/2017 16:18

Kinda pivoted what the purpose of the site was, but yeah. Here's a super secret chatterbox only first look. Shouldn't be long, just have to add some of the content and do the final tweaks.

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/25/2017 15:59

I remember that, didn't think you still worked on it! Anything you can show?

skeddles (Level 11 Psychopath) @ 3/25/2017 13:38

I'm working on a pixel art site right now with multiple features. I'd like to add some kind of hosting/gallery thing some day, but depends on how well it does / what other features take off.

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/25/2017 13:04

I believe that with the right plan, we have a good chance of funding it one way or another. However, it is very hard to come up with the right plan without Sedge's involvement...

@JerryPie: We rang his mom but noone answered. I wish that was a joke

pyrometal (Level 7 Assassin) @ 3/25/2017 10:44


Don't think the pot of money is very big. Scroll down http://pixeljoint.com/pixels/aboutus.asp to see the complete list of donors since 2007... I doubt we would be able to raise enough hire a dev. Regardless, we don't own the site so it's not our call to make.


Sent you a PM!

king_bobston (Level 10 Capo) @ 3/25/2017 09:49

"hey jal, johnny here. Just looking in to see how you're doing bud"



ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 3/25/2017 08:34

break down his door

cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/25/2017 06:46

And how would you reach out?

JerryPie (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/25/2017 03:28

Is the donation pot not big enough to handle hiring a web devloper to overhaul the site?  If not, I bet an announcment asking for donations would quickly fund it.  After a decade on PJ I would happily donate as much as possible to extend the life of this place.

As far as Jal's well being, is it best to just wait indefinitely to "maybe" find out?  Reaching out may be prying into his personal life, but after 10+ years I think he's made close enough friends here to warrant finding out if he's ok.

cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/24/2017 21:17

Three months of radio silence.

Tarenken (Level 3 Stalker) @ 3/24/2017 19:33

Oh jeez, I hope Jal's ok. I don't come here often anymore but he was always encouraging me...

skeddles (Level 11 Psychopath) @ 3/24/2017 18:24

Does really nobody know where Jal is?

gr0wlithee (Level 1 Depressed) @ 3/24/2017 11:01

i definitely have enough spare time, but I only rlly know HTML/CSS.

pyrometal (Level 7 Assassin) @ 3/23/2017 18:49

We don't need any genies, just people with enough spare time

Sad to hear that we still haven't got any news from Jal...

greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 3/23/2017 09:15

Sup y'all. How's everyone doing?


I see ye olde if I had a magic genie how would I change PJ debate is still going on. Classic. Never gets old apparently.

Still no word from jal by the way. And I'm pestering him on private lines we usally reserve for our super secret sex hotline and all. Kinda worried about him at this point.

TRUEvector (Level 4 Mercenary) @ 3/21/2017 15:15

Ah, c'mon! Can't upload my work again... So sad. 

Theoden (Level 6 SWAT) @ 3/21/2017 07:47


I totally agree with the suggestions.

A functionality to make following artists possible and a better front page layout would definitely carry PJ to a new level. 

The idea to rewrite everything sounds like a massive work but I have no info about the condition of the current code base. So it is hard to comment on that.

Amorph (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 3/20/2017 21:04

Being able to follow other users would be fantastic!

pyrometal (Level 7 Assassin) @ 3/20/2017 18:53


No clue where we would find an expert web developer and we unfortunately can't hire one.

As for me, I'm willing to volunteer to take that role on. I studied software engineering in school and worked as part of a team of software developers years ago developing some mission critical applications for the Canadian military. Since then I've acquired a lot of leadership and management experience (had a team of 55 people working for me at one time).

Someone in this community might be more qualified than I am though and I'd be perfectly content just helping with web dev.


All those are great ideas for upgrades and that's just scratching the surface! This community could gain a lot from an upgraded platform in my opinion

cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/20/2017 17:16

"v3" was a minor cosmetic update and a long overdue hall of fame adjustment. It did not address systemic problems with design and function. I'd personally like to see the rather pointless buddy system replaced with a real method of following other artists, a complete redesign of the front page with news sidebarred and new art greatly expanded, an integrated forum, and a reliable server.

king_bobston (Level 10 Capo) @ 3/20/2017 14:26

the broken links can't be fixed (even with a new site) by anything other than a re-upload if the location they linked to got bombed, like old image hosts removing images or closing altogether.



That said I think making a new PJ would come with more problems that fixing the old PJ.. we *only* have to unbury the Sedge.

dpixel (Level 9 Vice President) @ 3/20/2017 13:55

Why do we need a new site?  Wasn't pj v3 just recently introduced? ...The one we're on now.   Aside from the site not loading at times (new host?), the main site seems fine.  What are the main problems?

The forums seem very slow and not used as much as I remember...and some links are broken, etc.  The dead links should be an easy fix though, I would think.   And maybe if jal wasn't hiding out with Richard Simmons, it would be more popular.

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/20/2017 09:31

Pyrometal, yes a dev team would be great. Now, we'd probably need some senior/expert web developer to guide the whole project, right? Were are we to find him/her?

Mandrill (Level 8 Partner) @ 3/20/2017 09:12

@ BexelArt

If the submission is submitted in time and it meets the challenge requirements, it will get approved before the challenge ends.

@ Crimso

Yes. As I'm the one who runs the weekly challenges now the deadline has been pushed back a good 10 hours. I live in a different timezone than Sca and therefore are at university when the countdown runs out.

Crimso (Level 3 Corporate Drone) @ 3/20/2017 06:22

Am I the only one who doesn't see the weekly challenge get updated until a day or two after the deadline?

BexelArt (Level 1 Rookie) @ 3/19/2017 23:44

Does anyone know if a submission for the weekly challenge needs to be approved or just submitted prior to the deadline? I submitted mine, not sure how long it takes to get it approved. First piece on here.

pyrometal (Level 7 Assassin) @ 3/19/2017 21:40

I personally hate the likes of Twitter, Facebook, etc for the reasons you've mentioned and definetly see value to PixelJoint's existence.

The thought of building a new site has crossed my mind on multiple occasions and this conversation has reignited that spark. If enough people are interested, perhaps we could recruit a small dev team? This has the potential to be a really cool community project!

I'm putting my name forward if anyone else is willing to join me. I have some web development experience (PHP, SQL, some JS) but nothing extensive.

MrHai (Level 1 Rookie) @ 3/19/2017 14:48

PJs value for me has always been the forum + inspiration from the gallery. Never really considered it a portfolio, and haven't really interacted with the gallery as a feedback service, though I know others do.

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/19/2017 11:54

A more important question we'll have to answer as a community:

What is the value of pixeljoint, or a new gallery community website?

There are plenty of places to share your artwork with other pixel artists, there are other places offering regular challenges, tutorials, discussion.

Now I really like web communties, the way that I've got to "know" all of you would be impossible on twitter for example. But can a web community platform like this still exist in the future, or is it alright when the future has pixel artists spread out over various platforms? How can we compete with places like Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, DeviantArt, Discord, Pixelation, TIGsource... And should we want that?

eishiya (Level 4 Deputy) @ 3/19/2017 11:04

I agree with everything you said. It would be easy to write a scraper to make it easy for people to duplicate their PJ galleries on a new service, too.

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/19/2017 10:55

I hope I'm wrong, but I think that the chances are very small that we'd get access to the code or the database to begin with.
More realistically is perhaps to indeed start from scratch, and then try to rip the whole PJ database as much as this is possible, and duplicate that on a new website. People could claim ownership back of the accounts we'd import/rip, which would be a huge task in the first year, but managable.

I know of a situation where this happened. A community website was terminated, and the owner decided to release the database after flusing things like email addresses and passwords. Other websites have stepped in and used part of that database, and people were able to reclaim their old records on these new communities.

Also alternatives are imaginable, such as that you'd only rip some content when a single user makes a request, and never transfer the content of "unclaimed" accounts.

But even if you wouldn't transfer the PJ database, would that be so bad? There is a whealth of history and knowledge here, but as long as this site remains online, it's all out there. Pixel art is going to live on! A new website that could survive for at least another decade, if not longer, would have relevant content within a few months, and a rich new database within a year! That is assuming that PJ users would be interested in moving there, of course.

Anything that needs to survive the test of time has to be owned by a non-permanent team of people. A platform that can break completely on a single link in the chain is not worth an investment of our time and energy.

eishiya (Level 4 Deputy) @ 3/19/2017 09:47

For what it's worth, a coder's perspective: From what I've been able to gather about PJ's coding from how it behaves, to fix this site would be a nightmare. It seems like it would be much easier to write a new site from scratch, and reuse/migrate the database to keep all the data. This is doubly so if some of the more interesting suggestions are to be implemented.

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/18/2017 18:38

Well, when designing a community like this, you might want to have the owner/head administrator and the main coder(s) not be the same person. I'd rather have something of a team/board control the whole thing, where the coder is just one member of the team. Everybody should be replaceable.

A board of volunteers, who could op to spend possible income (donations) on outsourcing tasks that they can't do themselves.. I've organized many real life projects like this, in the Netherlands it is fairly common to start a foundation for projects..
You could even have a member-like setup where members can vote for new board members, give their input on the yearly meeting...

Of course this approach doesn't bring you anything at first, it doesn't magically make a programmer appear. But it is a proven way to get a group together who want to make a serious effort to get things to happen. I sadly know too little of the programming side of things to know if this is realistically possible, but could this be some kind of internet collaboration thing? Where the main coders invite other volunteers to do parts of the task?
I feel like PJ has enough interested people who'd be willing to help out, if the tasks seem overseeable and not infinite. A large part is not coding, but making design decisions, and this is something in which the community can help out for sure!

cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 3/18/2017 14:05

It really has more to do with a lack of a dedicated coder(s) than any sort of difficulty associated with the work. No update or redesign is too complex to be completed in a decade.

Short of someone building a new site, this is what we've got.

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 3/18/2017 06:48

I've wondered so often, and I wonder again:
What would it take to rebuild PJ from scratch?

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