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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 2/16/2020 23:18

Works for me  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Wolfenoctis (Level 7 Mass Murderer) @ 2/16/2020 21:42

Anyone else have this weird bug? I can't see Andylittle's previews, its just blank, no text link like when someone's preview image is too large: https://imgur.com/CoF9uXF  It strangely seems to affect only his newer pieces: https://imgur.com/rJsIfw7 And oddly it only seems to happen to andy's stuff : https://imgur.com/BEfHoF8


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Amazonite (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 2/16/2020 15:59

I think you should keep the forum, I use it to look at all of the guides and tutorials mostly. I am new to pixel art and if you look at my profile you can see I am improving because I spend a lot of time researching in the forums and stuff.

As for chatterbox, I think it's cute. 😱 so can we keep it too. Bahahaha 😂


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Adarias (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 2/16/2020 14:13

@Reo you're not wrong, but technical debt is a real issue.  Sedge is migrating the site off of ASP, most of which is over a decade old and hand-written.  Until the migration is finished, attempting to add or improve features is like building on sand.


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Adarias (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 2/16/2020 14:10

> Add to this a conservative/purist mindset about pixelart that made a niche community even more niche, and has only recently relaxed a bit. - @cure

We've actually relaxed a ton in the past 2-3 years, or at least refined our stances.  Lots of things that used to be forbidden like indexed painting, simple shadows etc are now tacitly allowed.

Generally I think this is for the better, but I suspect we will always keep the reputation.  Rule 5 pretty much prevents any hybrid work, which is where other communities are seeing the most growth.


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Reo (Level 11 Sensei) @ 2/16/2020 13:57

I don't understand why we even have a chatterbox? The frontpage should be showing active forum threads instead! We have established that PJ's galllery remains popular. People enjoy the pixel art archives. That can't be replicated on twitter or discord. It should be possible to build a community around that, but the forum ain't cutting it anymore as is. 


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Adarias (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 2/16/2020 13:56

Thanks @Hapiel for the update - and yeah pretty much confirms the trend for the past few years.

New works and faves are pretty linear, while again quality continues to rise IMO (check out the monthly top -- just posted!).  We may not be growing much, but we're not dying either (in terms of content).

Other engagement is strongly curbed - perhaps because of aging UX, perhaps because of anti-spam measures... in all likelihood, a bit of both.


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 2/16/2020 10:10

The forum is broken with or without jal, I tried to post a comment the other day and got an error message, and there’s no link to it from the mobile homepage. It’s dead.


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Daruda (Level 4 Button Man) @ 2/16/2020 08:04

pixeljoint 3.0 yearly discussion lol.
The forum used to be active when jal was active, simply not enough people commenting on there.
Pixelation did it better and it's dying a bit too, maybe everyone is hopping on twitter.
But twitter's population....meh


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Amazonite (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 2/16/2020 05:39

To dither or not to dither. .

I find it funny when I look into the comment section of an artwork that has a lot of dithering. People are so dramatic.


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ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 2/15/2020 15:43

I remember several years ago jal messaged me and said he was about to ban me because he saw my username and thought I was a spam account.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 2/15/2020 12:04

At least the chatterbox is alive again :).

And yes there are a lot of submissions, the amount of pieces submitted per year has been incredibly steady since at least 2007. The amount of comments is gradually going down since then, and the amount of ratings is decreasing too. The amount of favorites is super steady too.
Can't really say much about the amount of members, there are wayyyyy too many spam accounts on here since 2015. Full stats for anyone who cares (didn't update the forum stats, sorry)


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Adarias (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 2/15/2020 11:31

The good news is PJ has just as much new art as ever, and a lot of the peices submitted are very high in quality.

The bad news is the structure of the site is entirely unequipped to handle spam, which has led to restrictions on how much engagement new users, especially non-artists, can drive.  This, along with some UX challenges, leads to the appearance of stagnation even when, as mentioned, the queues are frequently full and the average quality of work is very high.

I'm not sure what the future holds.  We'll never match the anti-spam firepower of DA, Reddit or Twitter.  There are opportunities for improvement in terms of both the UX and integration with the forums (which could also be spruced up), but even if Sedge were able to open up the codebase to additional developers, such efforts cannot begin the long-awaited migration away from ASP - which Sedge wishes to complete solo.


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Zizka (Level 10 Operative) @ 2/13/2020 17:24

I'm personally just looking for a place to get critique which I find the hardest thing to find.


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ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 2/13/2020 11:14

I have a few propositions to improve PJ. 

1. I think we should end many of our sentences with exclamation points, in order that we might cause excitement among the visitors!

2. I think we should increase our use of the subjunctive mood, in order that we might instill an air of mystery to the site!


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 2/12/2020 17:17

PJ definitely could have been updated much more over the past decade in order to keep up, like skittle's suggestion to expand the new art on the front page, which is an idea that's been floating around for years, and the forum has always been disconnected from the site and this rift has only continued to grow. Add to this a conservative/purist mindset about pixelart that made a niche community even more niche, and has only recently relaxed a bit.

Even so, I find it difficult to imagine PJ (or any other gallery- or forum-based community) competing with the rise of social media, though it's also worth noting that PJ hasn't attempted to expand onto these platforms in any significant way in order to redirect traffic to the site. So I think PJ ossified, but even remaining dynamic might not have saved it from the onslaught of social media platforms. It's difficult to say- had the site been responsive to changing times and user feedback, could it have remained the nexus of pixel art, being that the medium is so niche and so many newbies seek real learning and engagement that social media doesn't provide?

edit: damn that sounded like a eulogy. We’re still here! But I think communities like ours have to focus on both gaining new members through outreach and activating the community through engagement. The weeklies are great and just need more publicity maybe, what I really think defined the golden age of online pixel communities were the super-active WIP forums that built better artists and better relationships between artists.


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Theoden (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 2/12/2020 13:51

@wish04

PM me about the username change.


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skittle (Level 9 Nidan) @ 2/12/2020 12:34

Pj just got too behind on the times. When you can only show six new pieces of art at a time on the front page there's already a problem lol


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Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 2/12/2020 04:00

I miss the days where online communities flourished on independent platforms. It's not PJ that's off, it's the whole internet moving towards facebook/twitter/discord....


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wish04 (Level 6 Hitman) @ 2/11/2020 18:00

Sup y'all. Long time no see. Where do I go about requesting a username change? Sort of moved past current username, but still want my old stuff associated with this account.


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moondrome (Level 6 SWAT) @ 2/11/2020 12:39

I support pixeljoint, and lurk around daily (hehe). sometimes I wonder what happened to some of my favourite pixel artist from the past...   they got tired of PJ ? they post somewhere else? or maybe they don't do pixel art anymore... don't know


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Daruda (Level 4 Button Man) @ 2/10/2020 15:16

Umh, I still visit PJ every so often, but I didn't feel alright in the discord server. But that's like years ago.
I don't really talk about it with anyone atm.


EDIT: btw, did anyone have the habit of downloading any nice PA piece they see? I lost most of my collection after I had to format and forgot to back it up, would someone share his collection?
I like having stuff offline.


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gawrone (Level 6 Serial Killer) @ 2/10/2020 09:35

I have to say that I do not buy what you wrote. I’m 10 years older than you and I find discord an amazing communicating tool. Something like Skype aspired to be years ago but failed, and with much more useful options. And with using it I was feeling overwhelmed at start but just few instructions (from someone older than me) was enough for me to use it at least efficiently. You can’t compare forums to communicators. Different tools for different tasks.


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ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 2/10/2020 08:18

Discord is past my time. I've never used it, and I don't even know exactly what it is. Forums are all I understand, and people say forums are dying. Then I guess I will just die out with them, and let the zoomers zoom over our corpses.


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gawrone (Level 6 Serial Killer) @ 2/10/2020 06:14

I would agree with ParkerBabyDiaperCompany's pixeljoint.com suggestion, which I understood as "you don't have to go anywhere else than here". I don't know about pixeljoint-discord but I uderstand those are two completely different things. I do not see this place (pixeljoint.com) as dead. Not at all.

I would also like to differ some types of activity. I see that twitter's is very rapid, but in my personal experience (which of course might be distorted), it is only about sharing art in a flex manner, within the boundries of your bubble's bubble, with not much depth in it. So yes, quallity will depend on who you follow, but is that a good thing?

In my view Pixel joint is more accesible. Allows beginners to experience much more than insecurity while watching all those amazing top artists. Here you are a part of the pixel art community from the beginning. Pixeljoint's activity feels much more "cozy" to me, and less elitist or celebritish even. Being open for new people is how I understant "active", becasue you can't sustain activity forever if you wish to have elitist community of only familiar faces trying to sustain high quality, and keeping the flood away.

But that's a new guy's opinion. If I don't understand twitter's pixel art and just type prejudice, please let me know.


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skittle (Level 9 Nidan) @ 2/9/2020 10:11

twitter. Pixeljoint is pretty dead imo.
The PJ discord got flooded by too many people and the quality dropped pretty drastically so I don't think there's much to expect judging from the last time I looked. Also not many familiar faces from Pixeljoint were on the discord.


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ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 2/8/2020 16:07

pixeljoint.com


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Zizka (Level 10 Operative) @ 2/8/2020 10:18

Hey guys,

Pixelation is sort of vacant now so I'm on the lookout for active pixel art communities. Do you guys have suggestions? I've heard of discord but I'm really not sure.

thanks!


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Theoden (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 2/5/2020 09:41

I have an AMD gpu so no luck with me.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 2/4/2020 17:50

I wanted to try the tool myself, but it only supports Nvidia cards..

Here is a download link if someone else wants to try it , and please share some results!


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Theoden (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 2/4/2020 13:32

@Hapiel
Yep some of them look amazingly smooth. Works for most but a few animations suffer from the effect.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 2/4/2020 03:41

That works surprisingly well! I do enjoy a lot of the smoother versions better than the originals!!


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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 2/3/2020 15:17

Hey look, its February already. 


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Theoden (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 2/3/2020 14:21

Here's an interesting video about interpolating pixel art animations.
Noticed lots of PJer works used as examples.
youtube link


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SF - The Dark Warrior (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 1/28/2020 22:43

Ah. I see.


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PixelDust (Level 7 Mass Murderer) @ 1/28/2020 09:48

Yeah, I believe they changed it to help deal with spam.
they also changed the requirements needed to level up if I'm not mistaken.


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SF - The Dark Warrior (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 1/27/2020 22:24

oh hey so i can post now huh. didnt it used to be open for all ranks for those to leave comments?


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JerryPie (Level 11 Godfather) @ 1/26/2020 16:50

 thank you Irenaart


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Irenaart (Level 8 Marshal) @ 1/25/2020 05:01

@JerryPie; Happy birthday, buddy!


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Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 1/22/2020 06:14

Good luck and thanks for sharing your findings :)


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greenraven (Level 2 Hired Gun) @ 1/21/2020 11:35

Sup y'all. 

Holy shit PJ looks so tiny on my new computer. Someone fetch me a monocle. 

Hope everyone's doin' alright. Obligatory "anyone seen jal?"


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Siikikala (Level 3 Sergeant) @ 1/20/2020 02:55

Parker I have an account I share with 1 other guy for gms2 so dm me and I'll give you the login info if you need the latest version. Don't really use it myself that much. 


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Strazt (Level 5 Sniper) @ 1/18/2020 17:22

Fascinating stuff, cure! Will keep an eye out. 

And that sucks, PBDC. It's always awful losing progress, especially after much investment. I hope there is some way to recover your project. 


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 1/18/2020 17:02

Just ordered this book on digital painting from 1989 after Lauretta Jones sent me a few copies of Verbum magazine from '86. Working on building a small library of early "pixel art" references, hmu if y'all find anything interesting!

Condolences to PBDC


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Theoden (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 1/18/2020 04:15

That sounds really bad.
This is one of the reasons why I do not use gamedev editors/enviroments like Unity and GameMaker.
I remember watching a video of a gamedev who lost his Unity project file after a short power blackout. All of his Unity files got corrupted. 
I stick to C++/C# with free open source libraries for gamedev. It can be daunting at first but it gets easier as you build your own codebase.
My favorite is MonoGame.


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ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 1/16/2020 13:14

I just had a terrible thing happen to me the other day. I work on games in game maker as a hobby, and I've done so since 2006. Over the years I've had to upgrade a few times to different versions of game maker. 
Well, a few days ago I was working on a game I've been working on (off and on) for 6 years--and one of them as far back as 14 years, and all of a sudden I lost access to Game Maker 8.1, which is my current version and the only one I had access to. Just gone immediately with no warning. 

So now I have no way to continue working on the games that I've put 100s and 100s of hours into. I will have to buy the newest version (100 dollars) and hope I can get my games working again. 

Here is more information of my sob story that I wrote on GMC: https://forum.yoyogames.com/index.php?threads/game-maker-canceled-my-legitimate-license.70980/

Except the mods deleted a comment I had about asking for whether anyone had old licenses they are no longer using or whether anyone had access to a cracked version. lol.


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gawrone (Level 6 Serial Killer) @ 1/15/2020 01:07

I just made a screenshot of the course lesson where he reffers to this image as his creation in an example art station portfolio of his (I will not share it publicly, becasue I do not know how Udemy legal stuff works). Probably other images in that portfolio are also "made" this way, but I'm not making any acusations so far (but it seems pretty obious to me). Just check this out.

I have to say that it was kinda suspicious to me, that after I saw this, I imediately went to check out that example portfolio in detail, and it was empty. All the images was deleted. Why to create a portfolio to show your students and delete it soon after, so they can see it only on video?

And also it was curious to me (even as a complete noob) that the tutor was presenting a much lower skill during the lessons (and completely different style) than all those "long time finished" artworks in his portfolio. But I assumed that he is just showing basics to beginners and those are what you will be able to do on higher levels ;)


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Also, he was talking how the Pixel Joint is the best first place you should be going for if you want to become a freelancer pixel artist, but he didn't created the example portfolio on pixel joint :) Coincidence?


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gawrone (Level 6 Serial Killer) @ 1/15/2020 00:42

I looked into that and it seems much more serious, than just showing example art without asking, and "forgetting" to credit. This is a screenshot of the course preview i.imgur.com/3YBdVgq.png and the art of @philippejugnet pixeljoint.com/pixelart/69405.htm . It seems to me that it is a copy paste edit, and very cheap one, but maybe someone else has a better eye.


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 1/14/2020 23:18

@DawnBringer:I don't know if they are just exemples. but no credit was given and it's been used as a paid ad and it's all over the web. And I have said before I don't authorize the use of my art even if credit would be given.

Edit: what the hell is going on this public queue man.


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DawnBringer (Level 10 Maniac) @ 1/14/2020 10:39

Are your images used for anyhting other than just examples of art? Are you (and other artists) given credit?




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