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Fusionnist (Level 9 Federal Agent) @ 8/24/2016 00:13

There might be a super secret league o twelvies hiding in the depths of the internet...


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Sergiotron (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 8/23/2016 19:54

I'm about to enter the Crazy Eight club 


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EdJr (Level 8 Shodan) @ 8/23/2016 19:20

So.... What have I missed in the last few months? 


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Mandrill (Level 8 Partner) @ 8/23/2016 14:51

There is only one secret society and you are all not a part of it.


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king_bobston (Level 9 Boss) @ 8/23/2016 11:04

there was a super secret PJ club?

 

Don't know what you're talking about, I'm currently member in 23 super secret PJ clubs. Maybe they kicked you out?


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Curth (Level 2 Corporal) @ 8/23/2016 09:21

....wow this is easyier then I thought! Maybe ill stick with Terrible Two's because I like how that one rolls off the tounge. PJ is the only community that has forced me to talk to other people purely because of the gamification of their user-account system.


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Fusionnist (Level 9 Federal Agent) @ 8/23/2016 08:47

@Curth Also a lifetime of rating pieces. (Protip: comment single emojis on pieces you like it's worth a quick 3 points!) ((Or hang out with the losers/art philosophers/pixel artists in here))


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Fusionnist (Level 9 Federal Agent) @ 8/23/2016 08:43

What about the Noticeable Nine? 

@Finlal is that really a token of worthiness? I could also spend a month spamming the random unrated piece button :P

@Greenie Octopi are no fish. They're lowly servants of the old gods. (Also men can't get impregnated)

P.S don't go thinking anything fishy about me...

Haven't started rereading FMA so the mad guy's quotes will have to wait.


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surt (Level 11 Godfather) @ 8/23/2016 04:45

The Tremendous Tens are merely a decoy front.

Should enemy Arts move againt them they will simply dissolve into nothing and our enemies will be no closer to severing the true head of the Pixeluminati, the Elite Elevens.


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DawnBringer (Level 10 Maniac) @ 8/23/2016 04:32

The Elite Elevens can suck it...the Tremendous Tens have much better parties!


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/22/2016 21:55

No not yet. You're not really cool until you delete your gallery. All the really cool kids do it. Death is only the begining.

Fun fact but there actually was a super secret PJ club. All the cool kids of the time were invited. But with all the members either dead or senile (I'M LOOKING AT YOU JAL) I'm the only one who still remembers it existed. Dither? 50/50 The pair of A's are smoother. No palette swaps before 3:16.

Well mr smarty pants since you had to get all technical on what kind of fish now we'll have to bump it up to octopus. Happy tentacle pants rape!


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Curth (Level 2 Corporal) @ 8/22/2016 20:43

One day.... Only 44 more peices (among other things) to go! *goes back to Vigorously studying sprites*


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surt (Level 11 Godfather) @ 8/22/2016 20:32

We can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the Elite Elevens Club but, hypothetically, if such a club were to exist, the subject matter would be classified, and could not be disclosed.

Signed, club secretary

surt


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Curth (Level 2 Corporal) @ 8/22/2016 20:05

I bet there is a secret forum or somthing only allowed for LvL 11's but I assume you wouldent be allowed to tell me if there was.


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Finlal (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 8/22/2016 15:00

Maybe.


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Fusionnist (Level 9 Federal Agent) @ 8/22/2016 14:58

@Finlal

Did you prove yourself worthy?


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Finlal (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 8/22/2016 14:54

May I hang out with cool kids now?


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Fusionnist (Level 9 Federal Agent) @ 8/22/2016 14:44

Sure I'll try that.

There should be a "report clickbaiting asshole" button on youtube. I hate these guys, posting thumbs of mewtwo in eggs, or just lying about their shitty content. And yes, I could just go elsewhere. Heh.

Uhh greenie what kind of fish? Live fish? Like in eel soup?


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/21/2016 14:06

Stuff fish down your pants.


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Fusionnist (Level 9 Federal Agent) @ 8/21/2016 13:43

I tblhink I saw this before... the guy has the same piece in revision, what's up with that?


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Fusionnist (Level 9 Federal Agent) @ 8/21/2016 13:33

More importanty, does anyone know a trick or two in order to interact with more cats? 


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/21/2016 10:41

Beyond Earth just doesn't quite live up. Same with the new X-Com games.


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RAV (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/21/2016 04:47

One of the best games ever.


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/20/2016 07:23

This is more interesting.


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RAV (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/20/2016 04:19

Made my day.


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king_bobston (Level 9 Boss) @ 8/20/2016 03:59

This is relevant.

 

 


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RAV (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/20/2016 00:45

Another thing that fascinates me is Emerging Behaviour. In game design, emerging gameplay means when the designer provides more general mechanics of gameplay that have large potential for interaction, and the player's experience and even his goals emerge uniquely from the dynamics of his decisions on the fly.

So in the arts, I wonder, how much of the result do you really know without the chosen process of creation guiding you. I guess we have varying degrees of expectations in our head of what we want, which affects our choices to begin with, and somehow may believe we simply execute on them by the most convenient means. But what if the means themselves also have an unexpected role in ultimately shaping the result in a way we never really knew before. Maybe a greater experience provides us with reasonable expectations. But how secure can we really be about the best merit of our choices beforehand, before it plays all out. In a sense, maybe we don't even notice who's really in control, we or... God, The Great Circumstance. The means affect our decisions, we evolve while we shape the piece. An emerging result from the chosen process.


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RAV (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/19/2016 23:44

Thing is, such pieces rarely are truly indistinguishable. And there is always an opportunity cost hidden.

For example, you can declare that only what the text says counts most, and the purpose of the typing is simply to not get in the way of writing and reading the text. For that it needs consistency and precision above all. And for making the whole of a thick book telling a long and epic tale, you sure work faster with the machine for getting done what you want; it may even be the only means of ever getting done what you really want most.

If you go by this, you could easily come to the believe that handwriting truly is a ridiculous waste of time. You could believe that because the meaning of the text is the same, the experience of the text is the same. However, what if you have a good idea for making the play with the visual typing part of enhancing the experience in a way you can't on a typing machine. What if by that you are able to convey cleverly additional information that acts as a subtext. And with that, you are able to create a shorter text that is stimulating in more than one sense and feels very rich. What even if you manage to make the smell and touch of the book and the binding, part of the experience of what the text says. How would it feel to know while reading, the leather binding of the Necronomicon Ex Mortis is human skin, and the letters written in blood. The same as reading it on the iPad?

The worth of the process depends on what result you're after. you can focus so much on the process, that you lose sight of what result matters most, which makes the process questionable. Or you can focus so much on the result, that you may lose creative opportunity that might have affected the result in an interesting way. That truly and forever makes this discourse so inconclusive.


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cure (Level 10 Capo) @ 8/19/2016 22:52

If I saw two pieces that were indistinguishable, and one was made by a person, the other a computer, I would think "damn, that human sure wasted a lot of time. I wonder if they were literally insane."

I get what you're saying though. I was reading a book the other day and wondering what a medieval person would think of the typeface. Thinking that it could only be made by hand, they would be astonished that a person could write such tiny, consistent letters! Their sense of awe would be ten thousand times what ours is, knowing that the type was created by a machine.

But the wonder here is in the story, not the work itself. If a person were to spend a hundred years writing moby dick with a quill to match the work of a typewriter, it is still no better than the manuscript created by the typewriter. It has the same ability to inspire, even if it lacks the magic of a relic.


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RAV (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/19/2016 22:39

So I have to admit, what impresses me even more than dedication, is smart decisions.


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RAV (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/19/2016 22:17

Now what's really interesting is, even though Witcher 3 obviouly has tons of intruiging handcraft to it, you don't actually believe their artists hand placed every straw of grass and modeled every tree of forest and textured every patch of dirt, do you. Of course they don't. that's ridiculous. there's great tools for that. That's the thing, it's not about either only this or only that. It's in the intelligently merged employment of every type of creation under the supervision of the artist. And to close back to pixel art, what personally fascinates me most about it, is the way it natively combines.


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RAV (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/19/2016 20:44

Maybe changing the subject matter helps: you probably don't really care about the epic journey of coding my shit. What does living my weird coding fetish matter to you, compared to delivering a product of interest. If the program is good it's good, if it sucks it sucks. We live in a time no artist depends on a coder to get some game done. Having said that, your project will benefit from having a real coder on your team.

Aside from the usual process vs result debate, this time tied to photography and filters, it also reminds me of the ProGen debate firing up every now and then: For all its promise, No Man's Sky generates countless worlds to explore, that's cool for an hour, then people get bored and want to replay Witcher 3.

Expectation versus reality for No Man's Sky versus what you get in Witcher 3. Just look at it. 'nuff said.


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Paddy (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/19/2016 19:41

Hmm, I dunno, to me the development and human side to art is half of it. Like if I were to look at a piece that you told me was made by a person, and let's just say the piece was amazing, I'd think to myself "wow, the amount of work this person put into this, combined with the journey they went on as an artist to get to this point is phenomenal". And then you told me said piece was made using a filter of a photograph, whilst I'd think that it's impressive that something can do such a thing I'd greatly appreciate and cherish the situation made by a person over the filter. I wouldn't really call that silly.


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Nightmare Maker (Level 8 Regional Boss) @ 8/19/2016 19:30

thanks green :3


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skittle (Level 9 Nidan) @ 8/19/2016 19:29

The "not very impressive" was directed at the filter & the cat, not photography in general 

 

 

edited to clarify


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cure (Level 10 Capo) @ 8/19/2016 17:00

It's 2016 and photography still catches flak? It's not as easy as pointing and clicking with an iPhone then bumping up the saturation.

As for filters etc., I think it's a bit silly that one's opinion on a piece can change from "awesome!" to "lame!" just because they learned more about its creation after forming an opinion. It either works or it doesn't. On rare occasions it can look nearly as good as a painting, usually it looks gimmicky.


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surt (Level 11 Godfather) @ 8/19/2016 12:56

Proof that the Machine has already won and it's just a matter of time until all the artists are purged and humanity will have no place left to turn to for its art needs except to sell themselves into slavery to the Machine.


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skittle (Level 9 Nidan) @ 8/19/2016 12:52

I would say it's art the same way normal photography is a type of art -the filter doesn't add or make it more impressive 


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Paddy (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/19/2016 11:14

What're your guys' opinions on filter applications like prisma that attempt to make pictures into art?

 

 

Example

 

 

Personally I feel like it's kinda lame in the aspect that if that were an actual painting I'd appreciate it, but because it's some filter application (don't get me wrong, it's pretty impressive that an application can do such things) that it somehow feels cheap and not art at all.


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/19/2016 09:19

For 1 hour that pretty good work.


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Nightmare Maker (Level 8 Regional Boss) @ 8/19/2016 09:17

did a quick pixel art with a self-imposed 1-hour limit to complete to post on my illustration page. not sure if I'll post it here on my gallery because I didn't really like how it turned out but here it is:

Link!


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/19/2016 07:34

Thanks. I just wish I was privilaged and spoiled for once and had first world problems to deal with instead of real crap. XD


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MrHai (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/19/2016 07:22

Hey Emu, chin up. If you're going through hell, don't stop. Take comfort in whatever supports you have, whoever/whatever they are, and figure out the next piece of the puzzle.


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/19/2016 07:20

Those were 2 of jal's favorite activities. The PJ we all know and love is dead.


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king_bobston (Level 9 Boss) @ 8/19/2016 07:04

leels chest got deleted by the PJ update? D:


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king_bobston (Level 9 Boss) @ 8/19/2016 07:03

It's annoying that the post Button is right below my autocomplete suggestions when I'm visiting from my phone. That leads to posts that end prematurely and that I have to edit, in this case it even looked like it didn't submit, leading to a double post. I'm now usi


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/19/2016 06:45

Emu warning.

So going through some life changes right now. The word "eviction" should sum everything up. Apparently being crazy doesn't go too well with being employed and being unemployed doesn't go too well with paying bills. Between that, my dad's drunken debts, and my brother's student loans we're shit out of luck.

I wish there was a giant reset button on life sometimes. I'm just so fucking tired of my life and constantly slamming my face into walls.


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/18/2016 18:14

First leel's chest and now this. D:


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cure (Level 10 Capo) @ 8/18/2016 10:07

For those of us who hide our birthdays because it's uncomfortable being the center of attention for absolutely no reason, life continues unchanged...


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jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) @ 8/18/2016 09:12

Since the PJ update I've lost the daily BDay list and have had to stop my fave daily PJ activity :(




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